I'm not worried about the letter of the law, rather, the spirit of the law.
as a kid, I played frisbee on side streets. We played ball in the road and moved when a car came. this is illegal-- as it's not legal to play in the road, ever.
Jaywalking is illegal. Going 5mph over the limit in a car is lillegal. Tuning your carb is illegal. Skateboarding is illegal. Playing my moped stereo (amplified music on the streets of portland is illegal). There are SO many laws.
It's 12am and the redlight just won't change-- I've waited 10 minutes. Do I run the light? of course, my bike won't trigger the changes.
It's illegal to put a perf pipe on a moped. It's illegal to get a better carb.
it's illegal to go 35 (when in a 35 zone and cars are passing you at 50).
if anyone's gonna care about this, it's the insurance companies who will eventually get a list and let you know that WHATEVER the state calls it they will charge the MC rates.†
So, if you make everything from standing still (loitering) to moving (jaywalking) to playing (frisbee) including music and mufflers... how do you enforce it all? after all, what would a judge say to a cop with a kid and a kickball?
A "ticket" is just a promise to appear in court.
I'm truly astounded at the fear of police-- How often do you guys get pulled over? I never get pulled over--! And cops who know the moped laws so well they can spot a missing pedal reflector-- and respond by measuring your CC and ticketing you-- I just don't see that happenning.
NH police to boot. New Hampshire "live free or die" but you're going to solitary for a reflector and a pipe. NH cops are not bad, I lived in Hooksett for 2 years. I can see the greater concern, too many bikes sneaking through could lead to a crackdown.
Yeah, well the 2005 crackdown on 2-strokes is coming and 2006 is even worse. I'd worry a lot less about new moped laws as I do about the ELIMINATION of the 2-cycle engines.
which is more central to the hobby? the speed limit or the 2-cycle?
2-strokes dissapear and mopeds are all four cycles. why on earth should we worry when (in 2-5 years) the ONLY mopeds will be ungeared 4-cycles as everything else will be way too unclean for use at all.
1. I've never, ever been pulled over for no reason or for a question as to what my bike "is" or what endorsement I have. When I passed between 2 cars @ 45 or so--- the cop told me I was an idiot and told me the possible tickets (improper passing, reckless driving, improper lane use, driving to endanger) but he did not ask about an MC endorsement. Nor did he ask about why a "moped" was passing two cars at 50+.
2. Environmental laws and the killing of the 2-cycle is way bigger than sneaking bikes through BMV.
3. Cops don't know much about mopeds-- and they don't have time to go to court to spend half an hour arguing with you about moped laws. The judge has bigger fish to fry and won't let a petty case take more than a few moments and will probably dismiss it.
I guess I'd be reading the moped sub-chapters on pedal reflectors..... but since the cops don't know a thing about mopeds I really don't need to worry. I would have a hoot going to court to talk with an officer and a judge about a pedal reflector on a 1979 moped-- since it's probably the first time ANY of us have come in contact with moped legalities.
People here usually post when they get tickets-- and it's always that someone has done something dumb.
And whose to say YOU'RE being sneaky and it's not the BMV's fault. THEY issued the registration. They cataloged it and issued a plate. So, who gets the ticket? you for doing what you're supposed to do? or the BMV mutant who tagged a moped as an MC?
you really think a judge is gonna fine you because of a clerical error at the BMV??? Nope, and once you've got the tag-- a cop might ticket you for driving or inspection issues but NO cop wants to go to court and argue against the BMV in front of a DA and Judge. If it's a MC the clerk should have processed it as an MC.
it is NOT my job to keep track of the bikes and classes at the BMV. If I bring them the info and they tag it as a moped-- this is not a citizen error, it's an error at the state administration level. Heck, I'd tell the officer I tried to regster as an MC and they wouldn't let me.
Yeah, tickets for a moped doing the speed limit and a cop who has time to launch an investigation into what the BMV procedures for registration are.
The bottom line in front of a judge:
"I gave the clerk the info, they gave me a moped tag. I have all the info right here"
"guilty--- It's outrageous that you'd believe the BMV knows anything"
not sneakiness, more like a clerk not reading the book or doing their job properly. There's no way BMV error would equal a ticket for a rider. If the BMV was doing their job, the bike would have MC tags. You actually believe a Judge is going to look at a blatant error in documentation issued by the BMV and then convict the person who's simply following BMV instructions.
The reason I call you a maroon is because I've been here a long time, watching hundreds of people tune and adjust their mopeds- that being the first question most people ask about. Now, suddenly, you're trying to make people think that going 27mph in NJ or 32 mph in NH will get you a ticket for "riding a motorcycle" and "giving mopeds a bad name."
Heck, I don't know you, Mike. Maybe you do actually slow down if you're on a downhill and the speedo creeps over 30. Maybe you really do worry about a pedal reflector getting you bagged.
I've got 6 bikes, most of them overpowered for their class. Been riding around portland and south portland cities on small bikes for over 10 years. I know what will get you in trouble in Maine- and it's poor driving. Going the speed limit, exceeding moped speed 'capacity' having a 70cc. Nothing catches their attention except for being dangerous. This is just 10 years of riding mopeds in the biggest cities in Maine. What happens in NH could be totally different.
Cops ask ME about moped laws. The times I've forced myself to be polite I've never got a ticket and it always ends with them asking about the bike, how old, how they used to have one, ride safe.
How often you see a side-street game of frisbee end in an arrest? Does a cop charge anyone standing still with loitering? do they bust cars for 5mph over the limit? how about for not using signals? there's a window of prudence and jurisdiction on the part of the officer. if not for common sense and judgement standing, playing, walking with a radio, going fast on a moped or not using your blinker in a car-- if all these "offenses" were pressed the courts would explode.
This is why police get dirty looks from the DA and Judge when they press stupid, hard to prove tickets.
"But, your honor, I told them I wanted a motorcycle tag, they wouldn't give me one". I also asked about the NP-50 at city hall last week. they will NOT tag it as an MC, it is 50cc and has gears. I told them it was wrong to have a "manual clutch vehicle" tagged as a moped.
"Sir, it is in our system as a 50cc moped, I'm not authorized to 'reclass' vehicles in our database."
Geez, I tried to do the right thing. Now, send me one of them china-cycles.