I even tried that. ~And I meant it at the time, but as Darnell offa _Christine_ said, "Ya just can't polish a turd."
Nate proves this phrase to it's fullest meaning.
I'm through talking to him. I will only hope he buys a mirrior someday. The sooner the better.
I like this thread though. It had alot to say when it was started. Now it's like a favorite pair of pants that you can't wash the crap out of after you found them on a person who should wear diapers 24 hours a day.