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The guy that got Clinton elected. Fooled a bunch of people. Sorry he died.

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more air and food for us. hiphip hoorey

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can I finish?

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that guy knew how to run a successful business. I wonder how many billions he had to claim as losses

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> Born to be WillD Wrote:

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> that guy knew how to run a successful business. I wonder how many

> billions he had to claim as losses

Probably no more than Trump.

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He had that same ability Trump has to connect with people. But he was just in it to draw votes away from Bush.

Pretending to be a conservative but would not answer the abortion question until the last coupla weeks.

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abortion is only conservative when you consider conservative as averse to progress and beholden to traditional Christian values

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No, it's only murder(not liberal or conservative). Brighten up! Put yourself as an unborn in that situation and be HONEST,Will.

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yeah abortion is not a conservative issue. neither is trillions in military spending, welfare for big business, increasing police/prison, or funding a ponzi scheme for retirement (social security) or any of the other bullshit that has been championed by the republican party since Ronny Raygun ruined the country the first time. (making it no longer great). "Conservative" has become a brand for a certain kind of backwards nationalism/fascism amalgamated from a bunch of brokeass ideologies exploited by big money interests to control dumb people who have been marginalized after being more or less kicked out of both parties.

ross perot was actually pretty conservative, although he profited quite a bit from government subsidization of his businesses. I'm all for third parties unfortunately he probably did cost the election from one of the most sensible and level headed president in recent times. (Aided in part by the beginnings of the neo-con movement in the form of Newt Gingrich and co.)

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

I sense heavy generalizations and opinions with the lack of credible evidence.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> I sense heavy generalizations and opinions with the lack of credible

> evidence.

AND you would be right! Anything to divert from the `taboo' issue.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> I am exhibiting heavy generalizations and opinions with the lack of credible

> evidence.

I think my point was that abortion is a social issue not a traditionally conservative issue. Graham covered it neatly, but which parts did you disagree with or want more credible evidence of. if you really want to talk credible evidence I'm down.

but the "taboo" topic is a hot button, inherently laden with generalizations and intentional IGNORANCE of credible evidence. But if you really do prefer, which evidence did you want to consider? that half of all pregnancies are unintended? that defunding family planning leads to more unwanted pregnancies and higher abortion rates, that it's significantly safer for the mother, risk to the mother from child birth is 10x higher than an abortion? that a third of Americans have had to rely on an abortion? that tens of thousands of those cases every year are victims of incest and rape? that it's correlated with reduced crime and reduced suicide rates? or that it's overwhelmingly a Christian - specifically a catholic issue?

The problem is, facts or generalizations don't matter, because this sadly this is something we will never agree on. and there is no room to change those opinions. And that is a fact which is so effectively used to divide us politically.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

I made a post about Ross Perot and thought people would discuss him in general... somehow this got to an abortion debate which if you want to go down that road than yes, you will need to cite your sources to be credible on that stuff...

that tens of thousands of those cases every year are victims of incest and rape?

Like that... Rape doesnt even add up to 2% of abortions. Lets just say we allow abortions for rape and medical necessity. Would you then be open to banning the remaining abortions or do you still believe it should be solely the mothers choice (legalized regardless of reason)?

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

One of the first sites i pulled up just FYI

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

WHY DO ABORTIONS OCCUR?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.

Percentage Reason

<0.5% Victim of rape

3% Fetal health problems

4% Physical health problems

4% Would interfere with education or career

7% Not mature enough to raise a child

8% Don't want to be a single mother

19% Done having children

23% Can't afford a baby

25% Not ready for a child

6% Other

The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs within its borders each year. In 2018, there were 70,083 abortions in Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions that occurred because of it.

Percentage Reason

.01% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship

.14% The woman was raped

.27% The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy

1.0% There was a serious fetal abnormality

1.48% The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy

1.67% The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy

20.0% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons

75.4% No reason (elective)

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Read up on Maraget Sanger (Planned Parenthood founder) sometime then reflect on this...

Among white women, 10% of pregnancies currently end in abortion. Among black women, 28% of pregnancies end in abortion (CDC).

Black women were more than 3.5 times more likely to have an abortion in 2015 than white women (CDC).(edited)

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I'm still hearing that "Giant sucking sound" since nafta.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

Conservative Christians have ruined the Republican Party by politicizing abortion.

Unless you’re the father, let the women make their own choice, and mind your own fucking business. She’s the one that will be living with her choice, Not you.

Edit: in before the lock. :)(edited)

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Well, Jimmy, it hurts me to say this, because we ARE talking about precious lives that should've gotten to live, but MOST of those aborting poor babies ARE Liberals.

They have decimated their voting base unwittingly thru these ungodly acts and their only hope to keep the vote close is to ALLOW ALL ILLEGAL immigrants to fill in those blanks.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

If there were any kind of truth and logic to dons babbling, he’d be pro-choice.

For some dumb reason, he thinks conservative women don’t have abortions.(edited)

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Read it again,Blaine…...facts sometimes sink into liberal brains after a while...….a LONG while. LOL!

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It doesn't even matter anymore.

The country as a whole has been sold out from all sides. You're too busy bickering about believes while the one ones with power and money do what ever the fuck they want to.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Unless you’re the father, let the women make their own choice, and mind your own fucking business.

Sorry, but genocide on the most innocent and vulnerable of us is not something I would care to be silent about. Thanks for trying to silence my voice though...

but MOST of those aborting poor babies ARE Liberals.

Yeah i actually hate the 2 party system and totally see flaws & corruption on both sides. However, the lesser of 2 evils in this case really is the republican party. That being said, i dont subscribe to everything a republican says so please stop your broad strokes of conservatives.

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Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" /

I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

Sounds like speculation. The same statement could be applied to you with that amount of evidence.

Regardless, if he has i dont support that. He was better than Hillary, but that doesnt mean i blindly follow everything he does.

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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> One of the first sites i pulled up just FYI

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>

> WHY DO ABORTIONS OCCUR?

>

> In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209

> post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the

> country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an

> abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents

> who chose it.

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> Percentage Reason

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> <0.5% Victim of rape

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> 3% Fetal health problems

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> 4% Physical health problems

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> 4% Would interfere with education or career

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> 7% Not mature enough to raise a child

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> 8% Don't want to be a single mother

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> 19% Done having children

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> 23% Can't afford a baby

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> 25% Not ready for a child

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> 6% Other

>

> The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs

> within its borders each year. In 2018, there were 70,083 abortions in

> Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions

> that occurred because of it.

>

> Percentage Reason

>

> .01% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship

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> .14% The woman was raped

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> .27% The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy

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> 1.0% There was a serious fetal abnormality

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> 1.48% The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy

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> 1.67% The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy

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> 20.0% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons

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> 75.4% No reason (elective)

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>

> Read up on Maraget Sanger (Planned Parenthood founder) sometime then

> reflect on this...

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> Among white women, 10% of pregnancies currently end in abortion. Among

> black women, 28% of pregnancies end in abortion (CDC).

>

> Black women were more than 3.5 times more likely to have an abortion in

> 2015 than white women (CDC).

OK, that's stil over 10,000 / year for rape/incest.

also literally none of those aren't valid reasons.

Reason for abortion: 48% can't afford or not ready for a child.

Reason against it: politicized catholics don't like it

nobody want's to have an abortion. it's a difficult choice, in some cases it's the right choice, and in no instances is that your choice.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

OK, that's stil over 10,000 / year for rape/incest.

Its such a small percentage of abortions... your using anecdotal evidence when your just in favor of abortions in general. Dont sugar coat it. You want it anytime for any reason. Argue on that stance. Infact, i would likely support your arguments for abortions if there was serious health risk to the mother. But i do not kill children for crimes of their fathers nor would i kill children because they would be born into poverty.

Reason for abortion: 48% can't afford or not ready for a child.

So because life will be hard or turn out differently than what we planned we should kill children?

it's a difficult choice, in some cases it's the right choice, and in no instances is that your choice.

Murder is a difficult choice, and i think we all have a duty to help innocents out when they are being murdered. If you saw a woman being murder im sure you would attempt to save her. No different here.

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Just think of all the future Libs they have killed of their own. THAT is a fact! They NEED illegal immigrants.

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> live ɘvil Wrote:

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> It doesn't even matter anymore.

>

> The country as a whole has been sold out from all sides. You're too busy

> bickering about believes while the one ones with power and money do what

> ever the fuck they want to.

It's BEING sold out by the House right now. IF the Socialists get in real power, irreparable damage may be done.

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> Blaine- The artist formerly known as Plumber Crack "(OFMC)" Wrote:

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> I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

Well he does get around and hes not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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yeah the older i've gotten and the more i understand the political history of the US, my viewpoint on the two party system has changed a lot... not so much my hatred of it, but more understanding how the predominant power brokers have leveraged different ideologies to manipulate people into these two perfectly balanced damn near 50/50 parties.

As it pertains to Ross Perot, as a third party candidate, what i'm saying is that abortion and the host of other issues i mentioned have no basis in conservative political ideology, as some people leave the party over one issue (say conservative republicans leaving due to a new york tax-and-spend liberal democrat- Trump- conning his way into a republican nomination) - other people (such as democrat white nationalists) get brought into the fold and become republicans, but the 50/50 is maintained by adding or shifting on these hot button issues.

The rich and powerful minority are always leveraging the votes of a poorer majority by manipulating the party messaging. What is interesting - in a very Orwellian sense- is how at different times in history this messaging has shifted... some really good ones to pay attention to is Abraham Lincoln, McKinley/Roosevelt, and Kennedy/Johnson. In all these cases the traditional power brokers got bucked either due to overwhelming popularism and/or an assassination... essentially the guys trying to hold the reigns on democracy got bucked off for a minute. If you watch the way the parties and the messaging changed during these periods to maintain the 50/50 balance, it teaches you a lot about how our government works.

I think the Trump thing is going to go down as another one of these major seismic shifts, its interesting to be experiencing it in real time. Watching the conventional powers trying to maintain their 50/50 balance and control political institutions while popularists on the left push for a Sanders nomination, and popularists on the far right consolidate around a nationalist message.

What is interesting about the bicameral system in America is that it doesn't align to the conventional socialist vs. nationalist platforms that most other countries have naturally settled on. The Trump thing is- in my opinion- a transition back to a more organic political narrative dividing people into 'Nationalists/ Fascists' and 'Socialist/communists.' The wealthy and powerful, trying to maintain the power structure, will obviously message this to continue to maintain 50/50 voting balance to keep politics stable. You cant go out and say 'we are the party for the top 5%' and 'we are the party for the bottom 95%' without it being a pretty conclusive landslide of voting, so you have to split up these hot-button albeit entirely inconsequential issues to keep the voting split even and maintain upper crust protectionisim within both parties.

does that all make sense?

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