Re: Ross Perot dead at 89

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> Graham Motzing Wrote:

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> yeah the older i've gotten and the more i understand the political

> history of the US, my viewpoint on the two party system has changed a

> lot... not so much my hatred of it, but more understanding how the

> predominant power brokers have leveraged different ideologies to

> manipulate people into these two perfectly balanced damn near 50/50

> parties.

>

> As it pertains to Ross Perot, as a third party candidate, what i'm

> saying is that abortion and the host of other issues i mentioned have no

> basis in conservative political ideology, as some people leave the party

> over one issue (say conservative republicans leaving due to a new york

> tax-and-spend liberal democrat- Trump- conning his way into a republican

> nomination) - other people (such as democrat white nationalists) get

> brought into the fold and become republicans, but the 50/50 is

> maintained by adding or shifting on these hot button issues.

>

> The rich and powerful minority are always leveraging the votes of a

> poorer majority by manipulating the party messaging. What is

> interesting - in a very Orwellian sense- is how at different times in

> history this messaging has shifted... some really good ones to pay

> attention to is Abraham Lincoln, McKinley/Roosevelt, and

> Kennedy/Johnson. In all these cases the traditional power brokers got

> bucked either due to overwhelming popularism and/or an assassination...

> essentially the guys trying to hold the reigns on democracy got bucked

> off for a minute. If you watch the way the parties and the messaging

> changed during these periods to maintain the 50/50 balance, it teaches

> you a lot about how our government works.

>

> I think the Trump thing is going to go down as another one of these

> major seismic shifts, its interesting to be experiencing it in real

> time. Watching the conventional powers trying to maintain their 50/50

> balance and control political institutions while popularists on the left

> push for a Sanders nomination, and popularists on the far right

> consolidate around a nationalist message.

>

> What is interesting about the bicameral system in America is that it

> doesn't align to the conventional socialist vs. nationalist platforms

> that most other countries have naturally settled on. The Trump thing

> is- in my opinion- a transition back to a more organic political

> narrative dividing people into 'Nationalists/ Fascists' and

> 'Socialist/communists.' The wealthy and powerful, trying to maintain

> the power structure, will obviously message this to continue to maintain

> 50/50 voting balance to keep politics stable. You cant go out and say

> 'we are the party for the top 5%' and 'we are the party for the bottom

> 95%' without it being a pretty conclusive landslide of voting, so you

> have to split up these hot-button albeit entirely inconsequential issues

> to keep the voting split even and maintain upper crust protectionisim

> within both parties.

>

> does that all make sense?

No. You're WAY over-thinking it...………...the people just got tired of the giveaway of the country's wealth to illegal immigrants. THAT's why Trump was elected.

Simple! The wall!

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