MOPED ARMY

Worth noting that many "rare earth metals", especially ones used in solar panels and wind turbines aren't particularly "rare" (they were rare when they were first discovered)- neodymium is close to copper and nickel in abundance. It's absolutely true that mining in general is an extremely destructive process, but extraction is necessary for fossil fuels as well (not to mention transport/transportation infrastructure of the fuels themselves). And these materials are also utilized in nearly every electronic product on the market from iphones, drill drivers and recharable batteries to missiles . Our primary problem is over-consumption - resource management, disposal and environmental impact simply have no tangible inherent value to the global capitalist economy that measures its success in terms of growth (and shareholders pockets). If we could fix the inputs to the system we could more intelligently manage what we have on earth.

Also re space- if things keep going as they are only the very wealthy are likely to escape this planet before the climate puts a huge percentage of the human population in crisis. Think of it as a billionaire rapture and not as an escape route.

very true- humans are a cancer.

I do think we have a moral responsibility to try and mitigate the damage we do.

wow, this really clearly indicates what an irrelevant genuinely active idiot don ohio is. like you are actively ignoring a series of well reasoned thought and logic to say literally nothing of any value.

Anyway I'm gonna try to understand why, and here's what I see. You are scared to death of change or anything that threatens you, and you feel threatened that someone might take away your natural gas and force you to use electricity in your home and vehicles. Despite this being a complete nonissue & you will never actually suffer from this luxury, you're still scared of it. bolstered by a very biased news intake that reminds you to be scared of it to ensure your allegiance to them, while dismissing factual well reasoned logic as "fake news" to build a safe little wall around your fragile ego.

So to reassure yourself you're right you come on here to post political topics so that those persons you already have decided are universally wrong, will tell you you are wrong, and through a twisted bias reaffirm your own flawed conclusions.

Luddites! Go back to horse and buggy. No more elevators! Take those stairs,people.

Of course,China and India are still polluting with serious offenses.

You greenies are a big joke. Study up!

The only way to circumvent cost being the #1 driver for any action is regulation & policy, which either adds a tax (generating public revenue while also providing cost incentive to benefit the general population and the environment) or all out bans use of whatever.

Can we regulate without so much red tape? Reducing fossil fuel usage (regardless of reason) certainty seems key to a countries long term health. It just seems that every time we invite regulation into some sector that it gets an overkill of regulation. Which will drive up prices and make it harder for the average american to heat their home. You know there is some greedy rich guys praying for regulation so they can basically drive out any competition and charge whatever they want for their supply as they have "buddies" passing regulation.

Thats my rant for the day.

Well since you started it lets see how much your misinformed !

Don retired from a nuclear facility so he forgot more than you’ll ever know about anything nuclear, he was on this MA site when your dog was eating your homework, he did the lake Erie challenge which was going around Lake Erie through, Canada, ny, pa and oh on a newly kitted bike that didn’t seize,

He knows about Mopeds then you’ll ever know, I respect him for what he did in his accomplishments but that’s him not me!

I’m not him in looks or many believes, I took classes on nuclear energy and protested the building of the two local nuclear power plants, near me (Davis Bessie and perry ) which they built anyway though they kept us local union members working I thought it was ridiculous so many cost overruns so many problems our union members were working seven days a week making bucket loads loads of money!

Now after losing more money than they ever made not to mention accidents including radiation release and the pollution of millions of acres of land to mine, produce, refine into fuel rods not to mention what are they going to do with the storage of so many spent fuel rods just sitting in ponds on site,

Now they want taxpayers dollars to stop the closing of them (Davis Bessie right now and perry plant in 2021),

I had to take mandatory nuclear medicine certifications due to my rehab work in hospitals so I know half life of almost every isotope/nuclear stuff than you know,

The molten salt reactors (unless you are talking ones for for oil) are 100 times worse than the steam type we use now and both are such old technologies it isn’t funny!

Nuclear fission is only good for making bombs and the trigger of hydrogen bombs , All kill people through its mining, production, accidents, handling , storage,

On a a nuclear power plant you’re sitting on a controlled bomb,

I hate nuclear power you’ll never change my feelings about it for what energy it makes it uses more resources and makes more the pollution any fuel in history if you take in the half life of most isotopes, because they keep killing and killing for years,

Oh by the way Fujiyama 4 reactors are still contaminating the ocean because I have a friend that lives near there, thousands of square kilometers are still unlivable,

God people are so dumb when it comes to nuclear.

The only thing nuclear it is good for is making a compact power plant to power ships for long periods of time

So you know I didn't vote for Donald Trump, mostly to union affiliation listed as a Democrat though I’m neither right nor left and would vote for any candidate locally or nationally that is for labor ,

Trump helped bankrupt a company I worked for back in the day for nonpayment for A few million dollars of work that they performed in New Jersey causing me to lose my last 3 day check back in the day so actually Trump owes me $550 so no love lost for him but I don’t have Trump to rangement syndrome like all you people who think with feelings do,

I think with knowledge, experiences of every president down to Kennedy and I think with common sense as well as respect any president who is in charge including Obama who was an ass kisser to many terrorist by paying ransom’s !

I Never talked about California people being evil, I just just said California and other western states are overpopulated for the amount of water and resources that they have,

I mean just look at Las Vegas Nevada right in the middle of the desert just taking energy off the grid, it can be seen in space same with palm springs take a desert and suck water and resources from other states so you could live there!

I’m part of a motorbike community out here and for 40 some years, both my brothers are Harley Davison riders and there are several Harley bikers on my street, know many in riding clubs I can call in a heartbeat for help, and I would have a small crowd here in no times, have friends every state and Canada too,

I know people in Europe (though I’m not gonna go there anytime soon ) I’m not a bad person, if you meet me in person and even though did more (physical stuff) by age 19 then you probably will in your entire life I except everyone, Gay LGBTQ, any race, any religion that doesn’t harm or kill LGBTQ people or women!

Ya Just keep ya the dumb phone to your face and keep posting bias bull crap about me and you’ll never know! (edited)

I started this about 4 o’clock in the morning on my I phone 4 and I finally fell asleep due to the extreme heat (I don’t have central air because I’m not a hypocrite when it comes to energy usage) I couldn’t believe it was still there on screen this evening when I checked my 10 year old phone, because I’m not in a phone in face person like all these young people are and because Moped army sometimes just spins and spins because I don’t have the best Internet and it’s not the greatest site loading at certain times of the day with my old devices,

It only took about 25 min and and about 25 minutes today!

Soon I’ll be back to work and you won’t hear one post for me except to answer somebody who has a true Moped not a Chinese scooter question on the repair form or maybe something I have to sell even though I’m keeping most of that was going to sell due to the fact that most the things I sold are already reposted for sell by greedy sellers for three times what I sold them for,

I will never give information or help to any people I sold parts and bikes for that are flipping them! including this greedy seller! https://www.mopedarmy.com/riders/electricave/

Why don’t he and others just get a real job and stop the high price rip off scene this in my state and others for Moped parts so we could get back to normal pricing?

Quick summary.

Get off my lawn!

Don is smart. He worked with concrete at a nuke plant.

I save electricity and don’t run a/c, because it costs money.

I brag about my iPhone 4 because , well, see above.

I have dial up modem, because, see above.

I am going back to work soon, because I am gonna have to buy a new iPhone 5. The 4 is almost dead. Because, see above.

I’m so angry that I sold a moped part, and made some money, and then the buyer sold the part and made some money. Why don’t I ever have money? Im so angry I changed my screen name to overpriced parts. That will show him. It obviously worked for puchNcosmo still stolen. (edited)

yea the corruption, or corporate interests, is brutal. But I think there's a pretty good consumer interest and investor interest in not wrecking the planet, I think the tax approach works well, tax CO2 and it creates the cost driver to promote greener technology. But then you have a lotta bureaucracy because of corporate interests lobbying to get exemptions and loopholes.

I dont think the tax approach will do much good for the very reasons you listed. Exemptions & loopholes will ensure the rich will profit while the rest of us suffer. Plus, if something truly ground breaking comes around it likely will get bought out and shelved by the big corporations it threatens. We should all have electric or 80mpg cars by now but that would never fly with big oil.

Still I support places like berkely that have both the money and the conscience to support drastic measures setting a high bar that doesn't need to be met, but it does say, hey this is important, we need to move this direction quickly

I agree. Decisions like this are best left to state & local decisions. I have more faith in them actually achieving their goals than if the federal government tried to blanketly force every state to comply. This goes back to the "clean your room" idea. They lead the trend on this and I think many will follow.

WillD: ` So I think a lot would actually support a CO2 tax system that allows them to be competitive within a new set of rules. Meanwhile the consumer interest is also (and with good cause) shifting to support greener technology, even if it costs a little more, tax pushes it. '

Liberals never met a tax they didn't like.

Jimmy, give those `cockroaches' more money and you know they'll waste it on stupid global warming fears.

Do you realize how terrified of future life the Millenials and later ones are? They've been victimized by their teachers,their professors, and the fake news.

They haven't had a chance.

Plants absorb CO2 and emit oxygen. If yer worried about CO2, plant more green plants and quit cutting down forests.

plants also don't do a perfect job sequestering the CO2 , they eventually release much of it as they rot. but yes, plant more trees, cut down fewer trees. Unfortunately that's not one we have a lot of direct control over, but we can impact the demand for cutting down forests - opt out of printed media. shop locally and avoid shipping, reuse boxes.

or in general waste less. buy used things. buy reusable not disposable. ride a bike. don't have kids.

^ I agree and do all of those things.

But regarding environmental impact, not having kids is probably the biggest impact choice that you can make.

Theres proof guys, Will is coming for your kids!