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> Potr zebie Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> Nobodys doing it because who the fuck wants to live in a dirtbag shack

> with compostable toilet paper and have to worry about dying from Cholera

> because you didn't boil your water long enough?

>

> That entire macho Real American self-reliant persona and image is an

> antiquated myth that sometimes makes for good reality TV or

> documentaries about mentally ill people living and dying alone in the

> woods.

Was that targeted at my statement about off-grid small communities that are sustainable?

I’m not saying a circle of dirty unabomber shacks.

I’m talking about an actual community, with homes built to code, modern utilities, schools, medical clinics (that vaccinate). Just done using the best practices from the past blended with contemporary tech to create a healthy sustainable society. Every person would be more involved and have greater purpose and value. I feel like we need that.

Mega metropolis that factory produce everything with most of their population living sedentary. Working bureaucratic jobs that produce nothing of real need or value. Trading services to the created “needs” spawned from boredom and predatory marketing. Huge wealth gap.

As Peter Gibbons said in Office Space:

“ We weren't meant to spend it this way! Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about mission statements!”

Mike Judge is a genius.

Individual humans can think logically and make great choices. In teams we can communicate and accomplish bigger goals. In very large groups, we are the stupidest animals on earth. I truly believe that.

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> Was that targeted at my statement about off-grid small communities that

> are sustainable?

i was more or less just yelling into the ether

> I’m not saying a circle of dirty unabomber shacks.

Ted kept his shack fairly tidy all things considered

> I’m talking about an actual community, with homes built to code, modern

> utilities, schools, medical clinics (that vaccinate).

Built to code: Strict Govt Regulations

> Just done using

> the best practices from the past blended with contemporary tech to

> create a healthy sustainable society.

Contemporary Tech is unatainable in an agrarian based society. You don't get the fancy farm equipment without the research.

> Every person would be more

> involved and have greater purpose and value. I feel like we need that.

Full agreement there, man. People are too detached from each other and most idiots have zero idea where rain comes from let alone how to mine and utilize the paladium for their phones.

> Mega metropolis that factory produce everything with most of their

> population living sedentary.

most factories aren't in cities (hell, most arent even in the USA) and rural folk tend to be even more sedentary than those in cities.

> Working bureaucratic jobs that produce

> nothing of real need or value. Trading services to the created “needs”

> spawned from boredom and predatory marketing. Huge wealth gap.

Without those useless "bureaucratic" jobs that produce "nothing" you don't get to pick and choose which modern conveniences you allow in your Agrarian Paradise.

No phones, building codes, modern utilities, and you can forget about vaccines. No seeds, feed for your livestock or de-wormer for your horses.

You can't even get decent .22 ammo for rodents.

And if you have a season or two of bad weather (or god forbid a blight on your crops) then your kids get sick and some die (which means your wife has to keep pumping out half a dozen or more kids to keep the farm going and she may die during it without proper medical care)

> As Peter Gibbons said in Office Space:

>

> “ We weren't meant to spend it this way! Human beings were not meant to

> sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out

> useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about

> mission statements!”

Like it or not, TPS Reports = Jobs even though none of us will ever know what Innitech actually made or did as a company.

> Mike Judge is a genius.

YES!

>

> Individual humans can think logically and make great choices. In teams

> we can communicate and accomplish bigger goals. In very large groups, we

> are the stupidest animals on earth. I truly believe that.

A person is smart, people are stupid.

We got more that binds us than divides us and we just gotta get back to that, unfortunately i think that horse has left the barn.

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THATS STILL NOT WHAT "CHECKS AND BALANCES" MEANS!

And careful, because if using the quote you cited, an arguement could then be made that since now the Federal Govt DOES have a standing Army that the 2nd Amendment has been rendered moot.

Not saying I would agree with that, just that a valid arguement could be made.

You can read more about American History at your local library.

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You keep building straw men from my statements and knocking them down.

Kinda annoying.

Like you need a huge federal government to make building codes?

A couple of decently smart handymen can guide their community on what makes a safe, efficient, etc structure for different purposes.

You wouldn’t have to reinvent tech from scratch using sticks and rocks. It already exists. People just need to use it.

Bureaucracy is stupid. Creating unnecessary complication to normal processes to employ displaced laborers since we mechanized everything in the pursuit of profit at the total expense of the natural world. (Deep breath). It is part of the huge system but goes away when you shrink things.

Example: I like to camp at campgrounds sometimes. I go to one desk for 10 min and sign some stuff and pay some money. Done. I have access to my “address”, utilities, places to shower and buy food. They know who I am and can guarantee that I get what I paid for.

Everything needed for life done in one place in almost no time. Assuming a small community could figure out how to pump water, generate electricity, farm, and trade with other communities that produce things.

Huge cities, with their hyper specialization of labor, make me feel like a tiny, insignificant cell in a sprawling body of humanity. If all I do is correct code and write TPS reports to keep the thing alive. Anyone can replace me. Nothing really NEEDS me. I can be shed away for something new and nobody cares.

In my example. Everyone needs the people that make the water clean to drink, the food, the shelter, on and on. There isn’t room for someone to sit on their ass and collect a big salary and bonus for watching others work. The field is more level. People have more responsibility for themselves and the community which is great for human mental health.

It is the past, but also needs to be the future. I want myself, and the people around me to feel empowered again. Able to control our future. Make our own decisions. Innovate to thrive where we chose to live.

There would be problems. A small group can react and solve a problem so much faster than a nation of hundreds of millions under one rule.

I admit, I know this is silly idealist dreaming. The communities I speak of would be vulnerable to sociopathic leaders that turn the things into weird cults. Without national oversight, there would be no authority to appeal to if the community went bad. People would have to take matters like that into their own hands and it would be ugly.

I would like to someday find a nice town that approximately fits my needs and move there. One where nobody would feel the need to start a riot. If they had ANY grievance, they should comfortably be able to ask the other members of the community to address the concern and make a solution. In about 10 min with no paperwork, or subpoenas, or fees and 18 month wait times for a court date.

Can you let me have my dreams? Or constantly be that voice of pessimistic realism.

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punkrock randy /

You should see “decently smart handymen” try to do electrical work to code. That’s a nightmare and I see it all the time.

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I guess I live in a bubble. What I call decently smart is a person that can do almost anything they set their mind to. Read a book. Perform the task.

Someone that can’t do that, I would call a moron.

All manner of occupations are accomplished by people. Not some exotic species makes up the ranks of scientist and surgeons. Just humans like you and me.

I consider myself pretty smart. Send me to school and I will learn to do anything than any other person can do.

People that can’t build houses can still do very important jobs.

Only huge, bureaucratic societies have the management shortcomings to place morons in positions to which they are incapable.

See where I’m going with that?

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> Papa _ Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> You keep building straw men from my statements and knocking them down.

>

> Kinda annoying.

>

> Like you need a huge federal government to make building codes?

>

> A couple of decently smart handymen can guide their community on what

> makes a safe, efficient, etc structure for different purposes.

>

> You wouldn’t have to reinvent tech from scratch using sticks and rocks.

> It already exists. People just need to use it.

>

> Bureaucracy is stupid. Creating unnecessary complication to normal

> processes to employ displaced laborers since we mechanized everything in

> the pursuit of profit at the total expense of the natural world. (Deep

> breath). It is part of the huge system but goes away when you shrink

> things.

>

> Example: I like to camp at campgrounds sometimes. I go to one desk for

> 10 min and sign some stuff and pay some money. Done. I have access to my

> “address”, utilities, places to shower and buy food. They know who I am

> and can guarantee that I get what I paid for.

>

> Everything needed for life done in one place in almost no time. Assuming

> a small community could figure out how to pump water, generate

> electricity, farm, and trade with other communities that produce things.

>

> Huge cities, with their hyper specialization of labor, make me feel like

> a tiny, insignificant cell in a sprawling body of humanity. If all I do

> is correct code and write TPS reports to keep the thing alive. Anyone

> can replace me. Nothing really NEEDS me. I can be shed away for

> something new and nobody cares.

>

> In my example. Everyone needs the people that make the water clean to

> drink, the food, the shelter, on and on. There isn’t room for someone

> to sit on their ass and collect a big salary and bonus for watching

> others work. The field is more level. People have more responsibility

> for themselves and the community which is great for human mental health.

>

> It is the past, but also needs to be the future. I want myself, and the

> people around me to feel empowered again. Able to control our future.

> Make our own decisions. Innovate to thrive where we chose to live.

>

> There would be problems. A small group can react and solve a problem so

> much faster than a nation of hundreds of millions under one rule.

>

> I admit, I know this is silly idealist dreaming. The communities I speak

> of would be vulnerable to sociopathic leaders that turn the things into

> weird cults. Without national oversight, there would be no authority to

> appeal to if the community went bad. People would have to take matters

> like that into their own hands and it would be ugly.

>

> I would like to someday find a nice town that approximately fits my

> needs and move there. One where nobody would feel the need to start a

> riot. If they had ANY grievance, they should comfortably be able to ask

> the other members of the community to address the concern and make a

> solution. In about 10 min with no paperwork, or subpoenas, or fees and

> 18 month wait times for a court date.

>

> Can you let me have my dreams? Or constantly be that voice of

> pessimistic realism.

There are too many people to have a world like that, sorry.

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There are too many people concentrated in certain areas.

We could spread the fuck out out and stop breeding like crazy.

There’s lots of room. People choose, for various reasons, to pile on top of each other in the economic hubs of the world.

I guess it’s greed or ambition. Wanting to get more from life on earth than what the world can sustainably give each and every person.

And I guess that’s fine??? Why do I care if 90% of the worlds population wants to inhabit .0000001% of the land mass and be miserable and fight with each other over money, power, lane positions...

But they’d do well to seek some enlightenment and find true happiness living a more natural human life.

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If I could be a dog.

I wouldn’t want to be a pet. Sure they give food and toys. Take you on walks. You get shots and flea/tick meds. But you spend most of your time alone in their house. You have to obey all their rules. You must suppress your instincts. You never know what it’s like to be a real wild dog.

A wild dog has all sorts of challenges. Searching for food. Things that want to kill him. Disease. Cold winters hot summers. Much shorter life expectancy. I’d gladly take all that on to live my life as a damn dog. What I’m meant to be. Not a pet.

Don’t think humans are exactly like dogs. Just making a point. We aren’t good herd animals. We are too individual and intelligent to be locked in like that. Try it and it causes problems. Legislating “order” into the chaos precipitated by that just makes it worse.

Maybe more people are sheep than I want to believe?

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> Papa _ Wrote:

> -------------------------------------------------------

> If I could be a dog.

>

> I wouldn’t want to be a pet. Sure they give food and toys. Take you on

> walks. You get shots and flea/tick meds. But you spend most of your time

> alone in their house. You have to obey all their rules. You must

> suppress your instincts. You never know what it’s like to be a real wild

> dog.

>

> A wild dog has all sorts of challenges. Searching for food. Things that

> want to kill him. Disease. Cold winters hot summers. Much shorter life

> expectancy. I’d gladly take all that on to live my life as a damn dog.

> What I’m meant to be. Not a pet.

>

> Don’t think humans are exactly like dogs. Just making a point. We aren’t

> good herd animals. We are too individual and intelligent to be locked in

> like that. Try it and it causes problems. Legislating “order” into the

> chaos precipitated by that just makes it worse.

>

> Maybe more people are sheep than I want to believe?

^ They are.

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I jam to that sesame song on the reg

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