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> Jimmy Cincinnati Wrote:

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> I do not believe he is authoritarian like many are claiming. Honestly

> how has your life changed that makes you believe he is since Obama?

Again, not so much worried about the authoritarian bit, it's pretty clear he does it because it pisses off the opposition, that he would so callously float the idea of not leaving office. I'm not worried that he will actually install himself dictator and bring down the iron fist of the law on every dissent. But what worries me is that other motive, the "just pissing off the opposition" because it is extremely divisive and intentional and unproductive while also creating a team mentality that as we're already harping on doesn't care about issues or make real progress.

I do like that last point tho, I often try to ask myself, are you AFFECTED or are you just OFFENDED. And to the point that I've been affected by trump immediately it's this VERY VERY divisive and one-sided politics that's come of it, and people who used to be afraid (as they should be) to talk some thinly veiled racist garbage or fuss about mens rights or white slaves or how come we don't get to have a pride day for straights etc - theyre so much louder now, they're open and in your face and reasy to fight over it but worse theyre so proud of it and completely unwilling to hear another side. it's driving apart families, friendships, and just reinforcing this approach to discussing politics that seems reduced to little more than "I piussed you off so I win"

it sucks.

But as far as personally affected by policy - well the whole handling of the current pandemic was woefully awful - when the theater was on fire we needed a leader who could unite us, lead us, help us find the exits and instead he basically just gloated that there is no fire. Were we too aggressive in shutdowns? in many cases probably, were we not aggressive enough, in many cases probably, but we never had a consistent message and we continue to pay dearly. And don't give the shit like well doctors changed their song too. no shit they didn't know, and learned as they went and what we needed was a coordinated united effort to actually make the best decisions and what we got was denial, blame, incredibly inconsistent messages, and ultimately near comlete inaction from the president.

OK so what else, stocks are good at the expense of the national debt, huge tax breaks to the wealthy with token tax breaks to short term appease everyone else. like you realize we have a huge debt, the richest are paying billions less and will continue to, yet all you got was a few grand a year more for a few years. Be great if that actually translated to higher wages but it doesnt and hasn't and never will. So there, I'm affected because my retirement went up (before collapsing since the whole thing at this point is clearly an instable speculative bubble) and affected because the whole countries debt went up

the lists are long, theres' very little I agree with relating to trumps policy or rhetoric.

But maybe I could think of some positives. um, deregulation in some cases can be good. unfortunately a lot of the "deregulation" seems to be a free pass to exploit communities and removing their ability to act back. removing avenues for communities to oppose a pipeline or a freeway etc.

umm, the economy? I guess, but he doesn't get credit for that. You wanna know what I think did it, to be totally honest, is fracking. I would bet that cheap energy in the US had a much bigger impact on manufacturing jobs and unemployment and bringing products back from overseas etc than anything trump or Obama. but no matter how you look at it, it's pretty hard to argue that trump made this economy good unless you ignore the 4years prior, ignore trends, and only look at current numbers.

prison reform! Awesome. keep going. this is about the only praise I can give without caveat. we have far more to go but we absolutely need prison to be less about long term difficult punishment and more about reform and improving society. and he pushed that in the right direction. I don't think he actually had anything to do with writing it, but he didn't oppose it, so props.

it's weird that he managed to ban bump stocks, and also regularly accuse the opposition of "coming for your guns" in a spectacularly confusing example of bending to various whims and having clearly no clue or integrity. Hell, I couldn't even argue that he came to a genuine realization that we shouldn't have workarounds to make fully automatic rifles; it seems like he just had no clue and just wanted to do something to look good, and, unsurprisingly, bumbled it. though at least it led to a minor but measurable token improvement.

charter schools and voucher programs is utter horseshit though and devos has NO business but making business being where she is. I'm not immediately affected but I could be, honestly it'd benefit me cuz my kid goes to a Montessori preschool for now, but I still think it's horseshit, i'd rather have decent public schools in poor neighborhoods than make it cheaper for me to send my kid to a fancy spot. She'll be in public school when she's in kindergarten.

other positives, I know a lot of folks love his appointed judges. I think they suck, hell they were ranked by the Bar as not qualified, but trump just got rid of that qualification requirement. cool? Fortunately most are good Christian white men. perfect - we need more of those to interpret laws.. (NOT)

Balance is nice. but I don't agree with putting Christian lobbyists to interpret laws.

and while the reworked NAFTA did basically shit all, it's almost identical, and only caused a whole shitload of confusion to make a meaningless new deal for him to tout as a success despite VERY little changed, it DID manage to support unionization in mexico. which, weird flex, but laudable - lets promote improving labor rights here too!

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