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Overpriced Parts /

Free speech It has nothing to do with Trump I dislike policies on both sides/dislike the two party system because of things like this,

Apple, google, fake book Tweety bird and other private companies ya they can block anybody rightly and I agree with that

But Amazon owns most of the public servers for all to use and gets paid for their use so no opinion or platforms but theirs/Progressive supported platforms will be allowed to use the Internet? that is wrong, public utilities cannot discriminate,

TV and radio MSM that a few people own thousands of stations, Big companies, big tech are on good behavior to be dems pockets Vice a versa (China plays a big part of these big companies too, without China we wouldn’t have these handheld idiot devices in large qualities, cheap Amazon, flea bay stuff) so they’re not gonna be regulated and taxed by the Dem lawmakers like they said they were going to do,

They want to keep in power so they have big tech, TV, MSM do their agenda and again vice a versa

Heaven help a baker that won’t make a cake for somebody because it was against their belief or other businesses, clubs.

Just because half the country's people doesn’t believe in or wants:

Free stuff if you don’t want to work, Unregulated China stuff/influence, unregulated immigration/line jumpers, high Taxes, lithium and cobalt powered vehicles and houses, One size fits all healthcare, Socialism, no signature required mail ballots, every drug made legal, 99 different genders, any condition abortions, certain set wages and all other progressive platforms does it mean that half the country is made up of bad people and have to have all these things forced down their throat?

I mean some of those things can be acceptable to a certain degree but you have to except it all or you are Hitler and you’ll never be able allowed to speak a word

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Abortions are awesome Kenny boy.

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punkrock randy /

99 different genders and any condition abortions? Go fuck yourself Roffboy. Ultra conservative dipshits never fail to disappoint. So out of touch with real reality.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

hy·poc·ri·sy

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the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Ill just leave this here...

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Yeah it's pretty hypocritical that those terrorists call themselves patriots whilst attacking the United States of America.

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Dirty30 Dillon /

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Classic. When the Seth has nothing intelligent left, they resort to drawing party lines.

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I can’t help but put my opinion out here too for critique.

Roff has, in his own way, made a point that I see happen a lot and it is a major contributor to the increased polarization of the left/right divide.

Expressing a dissenting opinion of conservatives is seen as fully acceptable and trendy. Almost like the right is expected to have their stereotypical thick skin and not care.

Expressing a dissenting opinion of liberals is a hate crime. Deplorable. Career suicide for anyone so foolish. Crucified by everyone, in fear of being associated with the thing said.

That has lead to say...

Hypothetical: I have a well researched and heart felt objection to a government program that assists urban youth. Not because I don’t want to help but I feel like the raise in taxes will do more to support giant government bureaucracy and little actual positive change in the target group.

IF I was to say something about that, I would be lumped into a racist, sexist, homophobic, flat-earth, climate change denier group.

The rebuke from the left is harsh. Many MANY times it is called for. But I have seen decent people overwhelmed and silenced with that tactic. And it sucks.

Even here on MA, the “conversation” turns into partisan shit flinging. Where nobody tries to listen to the speaker but rather hunt for trigger words to detonate.

I will pick one thing that Roff said and give my thoughts to it. See how you take it. Am I satan himself trying to reverse positive change? Or am I being reasonable in a world of increasing crazy.

That topic: Gender

There are not 99 different genders. Ken was using hyperbole. Nobody is allowed to have an opinion on this topic anymore, but who closed the floor for debate? And are we in a good place? I think not.

I think human sexuality is an amazing thing. I think we all do well to understand that the drive/need for physical intimacy is immutable. Among consenting adults, I think any expression that gives someone pleasure without causing harm should be their right to do.

If that is homosexuality, great. Wanna go both ways? Great. If you decide that surgically changing your gender will better allow you to enjoy your human sexuality, I say that seems extreme to me, but perfectly acceptable so long as you are doing for the healthy reason of enjoying your natural right to be sexy however you wanna get down.

I don’t think there is a biological basis to support that male brains are born into female bodies. Or vice versa. Maybe in the rarest cases, a person that presents male has the gonad action of a female and that causes something beyond my comprehension to take place. So be it.

If a 12 year old gets the idea that they aren’t what they were born as, I don’t think society should encourage them to change their gender. It feels dangerously trendy.

If a person is male and is sexually attracted to males or feels like they relate better to a female mentality, that doesn’t mean they were born wrong and the only appropriate action is to start hormone therapy.

If we accepted any and all expressions of personality and sexuality, without goddamned labels, we could probably progress way faster as a species.

Does that statement above put me into a hate group? Am I attacking people? Or am I trying to use logic and my personal life experiences (along with no degree but a fair amount of psychological education) to form an opinion that deserves discussion and well thought out rebuttal? If I am proven wrong, I will concede. If I am just made a public example for shame and ridicule for intentional misinterpretation of my words, well that just makes a person go away mad and harbor resentment.

I want to have profitable discourse about hard topics again. We need to learn that ability again. I don’t want to be ignorant. But I don’t want to be attacked for speaking my thoughts out loud. We need to feel safe enough to have these kinds of conversations.

PS wonder if they will ever put a character limit into MA posts?

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punkrock randy /

So JimmyC wants to be ruled by a facist dictator, got it. Just gonna leave that one here.

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punkrock randy /

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Jimmy just called out all the liberals on here

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Seth B isn’t willing to be ruled by anybody, numb nuts

I despise our two party system, and big government no matter who is in power. (edited)

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Yes yes, it just keeps getting better. WINNING!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-55638558

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I really like how all the scumbags at Fox 'news' are now complaining about losing tens of thousands of followers on Twitter.

Fuck all those nazi bastards.

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Who tf watches Fox News?

I have always hated that channel.

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Dumdum watches fox, you are probably more of an AON/Newsmax follower.

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Loving you referring to yourself in the third person. Real, big-brain moves

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I definitely agree with Ken that big tech has become too powerful, many people in the open source/ free internet community were concerned when trump appointed a big tech lobbyist Ajit pai to be head of the FCC. His executive order repealing net neutrality gave these tech companies and telcoms the power to do whatever they want to restrict or censor the internet, stock prices surged, follow the money.

When someone has 150 billion dollars you better believe they can, will, and do buy off any politician on both sides of the aisle. Thinking it's just the Democrats is pretty naive, when so much of what has happened in the last 4 years of Republican control has empowered them to coalesce power, cut their taxes, and expand their influence.

4 years ago before we got great again they weren't doing this. Nobody complained when they shut down 4chan and censored hate speech on reddit, now all of a sudden forcing private companies to give white nationalists a platform is part of the republican mainstream? At the end of the day the fear and hate-mongering is so much more insanely worse after 4 years of trump.

It's like you down jetted 10 sizes, seized your bike, and now you're on the forums saying you think it was your timing because you know that your jetting is right. What's changed? What is the same?

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I’m not a follower.

I get my information by searching for it and researching sources. I’m not spoon fed, like so many of you.

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

So JimmyC wants to be ruled by a facist dictator, got it. Just gonna leave that one here.

Not really a Trump supporter... thats your guys problem you want to lump anyone that shares a different opinion into the "nazi" class while you push your own brand of hatred. Im a conservative that feels unrepresented by either of our 2 party failures. They are both corrupt, self serving, and to wishy washy. What your doing is emboldening radicals to harden their reserve, while forcing more moderates to pick a side. Giving no quarter to the enemy only encourages them to fight harder. I hate the violence on both sides here, but I see that we need to actually build bridges and open up dialog with these people or else they are going to resort to more extreme measures. It doesn't need to be appeasement, but maybe stop broadly labeling people, and challenge their positions in a civil manner.

I despise our two party system, and big government no matter who is in power.

Im really digging the idea of rank choice voting. It likely will never happen but at-least that would foster the possibility of a 3rd party.

Bicker among yourselves. But please remember that being hostile towards someone normally ends in hostility all around. Kind of like you reap what you sow. Give civility a chance... and i would say that to any of the rioters as well.

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Well stated, Jimmy.

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Jim I'm all for civil discourse and centrism, and I definitely think first amendment rights must always be upheld, but there is legal precedent going back to Greece and common law that your right to free speech ends when it causes harm. Saying the election was stolen isn't an attack on Democrats, it's an attack on democracy, it's an attack on the very heart of what makes this a great country. Raising questions is one thing but we are way past that, it has been decisively proven joe biden won by a huge amount and the only people continuing to push this stop the steal bullshit are intentionally agitating to interfere with democracy in most cases for personal gain.

A reporter a few years ago created a fake twitter and began tweeting exactly what Trump tweeted, his posts were removed, where Trump's were not, trump received preferential treatment for years despite clearly violating terms of use because he was good for business. This is not about free speech, the first amendment or tech companies having a 'liberal bias' anymore. It's about whether those of us in the center are willing to tolerate literal fucking nazis trying to destroy our way of life.

If that makes me the thought police, good, I don't tolerate peoples opinion when they think it's ok to diddle my kids or torture animals or overthrow the government, that people with different skin color are inferior, or a whole host of deal breakers. If you can't flat out tell a dude wearing a pro auschwitz hoodie to get proper fucked, you don't deserve to live in America either.

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punkrock randy /

Conservative in that you care more about $$ than human rights JimmyC? Because that’s the typical trade off. Most typically driven by too many hardcore Christian conservatives in politics. I'm glad you don’t support Trump though, and you’ve definitely shown to not be an extremist, so you’re good by me. Though I know that means nothing.

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Two peaches are better than one. Georgia on my mind.

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punkrock randy /

Well stated Graham

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"We spend $750 billion annually on 'defense' and the center of American government fell in two hours to the duck dynasty and the guy in the Chewbacca bikini," thanks to the chump.

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^ lol....it's funny but it's not...

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> Chewbacca bikini," thanks to the chump.

Most insightful post in this thread so far...By Far!

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Jimmy Cincinnati /

Conservative in that you care more about $$ than human rights JimmyC? Because that’s the typical trade off.

Im a conservative because i just honestly believe government tends to make a problem worse, with some exceptions of course. Plus i just really believe in the free market. There is no perfect solution to anything, but from what i see our country has lifted more people out of poverty... even our poor are better off than most poor in the world. Plus profit motives really do drive innovation. We still have alot to improve on but its better than most other systems ive seen.

Most typically driven by too many hardcore Christian conservatives in politics.

I would add that many profess to know Christ but fail at actually hearing a word he says. If there were Christians storming the capital they will need to show me where Jesus told them to do it.

I'm glad you don’t support Trump though, and you’ve definitely shown to not be an extremist, so you’re good by me. Though I know that means nothing.

It has been civil between us and I appreciate that a lot. Like Will and I have come to the conclusion, i think we want similar end goals but just believe in 2 different paths in getting there.

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Plus i just really believe in the free market.

Just really believing in something doesn't make it work though.

There is no perfect solution to anything, but from what i see our country has lifted more people out of poverty...

More than who? More than what?

even our poor are better off than most poor in the world

You mean people who need several jobs to just scrape by? I'm guessing most poor people in the world are happy that they don't have to work 80 hrs a week to still be poor.

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