Also for more real world reference. On the 165 that my scoot kit likes, my Athena would not even break 10mph. Wouldn't get on the pipe, acted like I hit the kill switch if I went full throttle. Shows how different one setup can be to the other, all other things equal. It also shows how different engines using the same carb can be wildly different. Piston port dude can approach 200s for jetting at times.