I am going to melt my tires out of spite.

I'm new to this life, but I own bicycles and motorcycles and keep them all running, so I feel like I have relevant skills. I've been messing with this Puch Maxi N a little bit, and making tiny improvements, but the other day I was slamming around and hit something (without noticing?) and blew my rear tube and bent my rim.

I fought the Gazelle off the rim and bent it back into shape, and I have now replaced the tube four times and nipped every single one of them. I've tried zipties, pulling hard (I'm too weak), tire irons, screaming cusses at it, windex, soap. Nothing is helping me here. I'm going to patch all my tubes and start again when I'm less angry.

I've replaced tubes on other vehicles before and never had a success rate this low. I looked around the forums to see if there were tips but mostly it's just threads of people being at each other about using zip ties or not or gloating about how good they are at changing tires, and neither of those is super helpful.

Here's my real question, though: should I just buy new tires? From looking around it looks like these Gazelles are part of the issue? Or is there some fundamental part of this technique that I'm especially idiotic about? I'd rather have shittier tires with air in them than amazing tires that I can never actually use. Is it that much easier with other tires though?

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Michelins (specially Gazelles) are notorious for having bead cords that are to tight, a lot of the European made (or ones made for the Euro manufacturers) are like that, so there is the added challenge. It is not just a you thing.

Probably have read the tips of soaping the rim, make the tube semi inflated, make sure the beat at 180 from where you work is deep into the rim well, use real spoons not blunt screw drivers... those are the 'tricks' that work for me.

So yeah - there are easier tires to mount. If you go tire hopping, just buy ones to fit how and where you ride because lets face it, even easy changes are not fun.

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If zip ties dont work, your not doing it right.

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> If zip ties dont work, your not doing it right.

I think he knows he's not doing it right . And , zip ties have nothing to do with it .

The trick I learned when I was just about driven to insanity was very simple :

SLOW DOWN . Be meticulous about every step needed , making sure everything is in it's correct place . IOW , pay close attention to detail .

And ,use lots of soapy spray . ;)

By the way , I've never used tire irons or zip ties while changing tires or tubes .

I do remember once nipping a tube and having to waste my time redoing the job . :(

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Captain Janeway /

At least for me, it's worth it to take it down to the shop and blow the $10 letting someone put it on with their little quick machine. I just hate fighting with the damned things.

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I've mounted two sets of Michelin City Pro's and two sets of Gazelles this year and haven't nipped one yet. I only use soapy water and two motion pro spoons. I don't know what I'm doing right; I didn't know there is a common issue with them as they've always gone on easy for me. Even 2.5-17 Gazelles went on like butter. I don't know. I've never heard of using zip ties. Sorry I'm no help. Good luck.

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Bro, get IRC zaps. They go on sale at motorcycle super store all the time and are super easy to get on. I had a pair of gazelles and after tearing my tubes ~7 times never again.

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> I've mounted two sets of Michelin City Pro's and two sets of Gazelles

> this year and haven't nipped one yet. I only use soapy water and two

> motion pro spoons. I don't know what I'm doing right; I didn't know

> there is a common issue with them as they've always gone on easy for me.

> Even 2.5-17 Gazelles went on like butter. I don't know. I've never heard

> of using zip ties. Sorry I'm no help. Good luck.

I can and have put them on all different ways, I do not recommend water on steel rims for it can start the rusting process right away,

Using Zip ties are a very easy way to install a tire and tube but I put the tube in with no air! people say to some put air tune but it makes it much more difficult,

2.75s go on with like one hand

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> If zip ties dont work, your not doing it right.

I'm definitely not! I punched myself in the face with a tire iron on the second round. The issue is just that there's no critique stage where someone looks at what I'm doing and tells me how to improve it, so it's total trial and error, and I don't feel like I'm improving or have an idea how I would.

I'll patch these tubes and get four more tries before I give up and get new tires I guess. I don't know HOW some of y'all can do one of these without irons or spoons. But it sounds like there's no real trick besides repetition and not being angry.

Captain Janeway - I took mine to a couple of tire shops and they both looked at the bead and said they wouldn't do it. But given the option I'd happily pay ten dollars so I can get back to breaking and fixing parts that I like breaking and fixing.

Ken Roff - I'll try the ziptie thing again. I only tried it once because I didn't want to pull both sides of the tire off the rim. One hand seems unlikely for me, but I'll report back.

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Looks like a waste of zip ties, and I don't see how they make it easier. Guess I'm gonna have to watch it being done to see the benefit. I just don't think they're tough to install. Maybe because I worked as a tire jockey for a few years in my early twenties, I dunno. I put em on just like a car or truck or any tire with a drop center rim really. put a set if 2.25-17's on my Free Spirit with skinny spokes last month. That took a little effort, but not bad.

Get em on any way you can, I guess. Whatever works. But 50/50 dish soap and water does wonders. Or use vegetable soap if you're picky. Another good lube is electrical cable/conduit lube. Get it at Home Depot. But soap and water has always been my go to. Smear it all around the bead of the tire and go at it with spoons. Put one bead on, slip the tube in, pull the stem through ( until you get the hang of it, if you're not calloused, you'll lose some knuckle skin here, but suck it up), put a nut loosely on the stem to hold it, then work the uninflected tube all the way into the drop center of the rim, then while on the floor, start the second bead by hand, holding it down in place with your knees, then work your way around both directions evenly with spoons, holding in place with your knees as you go, and it will pop right on. Hasn't failed me yet in eight sets of tires in the past year, four sets of which were michelins.

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I always put on one side of tire first then insert the tube. Can be tricky getting valve stem in hole but if you got long fingers it'll go. I guess I do it that way so I only have to worry about pinching on the last side of the tire. Doing it this way, it does help to have very little air in tube so it will stay tucked inside tire.

The biggest secret to any tire is getting the bead down into the shallow center of a rim to afford you room to work on/off the tire from opposite side without prying so much (One side at a time of course). Many times without any tools.

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> Seth B Wrote:

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> then work the uninflected tube all

> the way into the drop center of the rim

Wait, you put the tube into the middle of the rim? I assumed that's the place I'd be most likely to rip it up. I've been shoving it up into the tire to get it as far from the bead as I can. Is that wrong?

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I always start working the second bead on opposite the valve stem, that way the valve stem is holding the tube in the center of the rim on one side, and I push it into the center of the rim on the side I'm working on. It just falls into place the rest of the way.

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Sweet. I'll try the hell out of that.

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Zip ties close the tire so it fits right into the middle of the rim, put the valve stem in the middle first then the tire goes on without irons if you keep putting/holding it in the middle of of the rim,

I get a bag of zip ties at the dollar store for a dollar or about the same price at Harbor freight so oh well a few wasted, it’s much better than paint chipping off your rim from metal tools or putting water in a steel rim

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A little water in a steel rim never hurt anything .

If that were the case , why would the rims be made of steel and be expected to last 40 years while running through mud puddles and any other kind of weather , let alone being washed .

I've never had a problem in over 50 years . I don't think it be a problem in the future .

But , the water has changed over the years . Now a days , we have to worry about Necrotizing Fasciitis . :(

Save the zip ties . There's already way too much plastic waste floating around .(edited)

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Okay. Apologies to team knuckles-only, I'm taking a swing with the ziptie method right now because I'm trying everything because I've been doing this for two weeks almost and there's clearly something wrong with my understandings of physics. I'll be back with more questions for you as soon as I shred this tube, which I'm guessing will be in like 35 minutes.

I got a tube in the tire, I zipped it up, I've been blasting with windex. I got that jerk on lie 75-80% of the way and now EITHER I've already made my fatal mistake OR there's some finesse from this point that I just don't have. I got this far with my hands, but I can't go farther. Even with tire irons, I know I've gotten one on before but it definitely wrecked the tube and also did some damage to the actual tire.

So where do I go from here? Is there a trick? Or do I just resort to furiously pulling with irons again?

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Looks to me like your trying to mount both beads at once.

Mount one whole bead all the way around rim in a COMPLETE circle BEFORE starting on second side.

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I do mount one side at a time usually, but I thought the whole idea of the ziptie thing was that it all goes on at once?

Either way, I've now re-shredded a patched tube with zipties and another working traditionally and I think maybe I need to give up on owning thing with tubed tires. Considering putting this whole machine in a backyard bonfire.

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Fill tires with expanding foam??

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I usually use about twice as much zip ties, also i can see you inner tube in the first pic so you haven't tightened the zipties enough.

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Are you sure you're not trying to mount a 16" tire on a 17" rim ?

And if you have air in the tube , it would make it harder to manage .

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> Bas Autowas Wrote:

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> I usually use about twice as much zip ties, also i can see you inner

> tube in the first pic so you haven't tightened the zipties enough.

Yes that’s not enough ties or tight enough to make tire narrow and he put a rubber spoke protector inside rim that is not needed on mag rim and makes the middle of rim where tire bead is supposed be smaller,

I use as many zip ties as I need too, the stiffer or hard the tire is the more zip ties I use and I don’t put a rubber spoke protector in a mag wheels, I just make sure it’s smooth inside

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Good news/bad news.

The good: that direct feedback is exactly the kind of thing this growing boy needs, and I now know how to do it with zipties. Next time I'll dive deeper into without.

The bad: while you're all still invited to my backyard bonfire, we're now going to be burning wood and not a bike.

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All I've ever used is corn starch or talcum powder inside the tire and on the tube, occasionally heating a very tight tire in the oven for a bit.

Never have pinched a tube.

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