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Advancing timing is pretty simple. You just need to calculate the current timing  
 
Advancing timing is pretty simple. You just need to calculate the current timing  
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D=(180-cos^-1((T^2+R^2-L^2)/(2*R*T)))*2  
 
D=(180-cos^-1((T^2+R^2-L^2)/(2*R*T)))*2  
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T=R+L+C-E
 
T=R+L+C-E
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R is stroke devided by 2
 
R is stroke devided by 2
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L is the conrod length (90mm in a Puch)
 
L is the conrod length (90mm in a Puch)
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C is the distance of the crown of the piston to the top of the cylinder in TDC (Deckheight)
 
C is the distance of the crown of the piston to the top of the cylinder in TDC (Deckheight)
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E is the distance between the port and the top edge of the cylinder
 
E is the distance between the port and the top edge of the cylinder
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Everything is measured in millimeters  
 
Everything is measured in millimeters  
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And then fill in the desired timing and reverse-calculate it.
 
And then fill in the desired timing and reverse-calculate it.
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Or just take the easy way out...
 
Or just take the easy way out...
  
Portheight in relation to timing in a Puch engine. All in MM and degrees.
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Portheight in relation to timing in a Puch E-50 engine. All in MM and degrees.
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21,5 - 193,7
 
21,5 - 193,7
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22 - 191,1
 
22 - 191,1
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22,5 - 188,5
 
22,5 - 188,5
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23 - 185,9
 
23 - 185,9
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23,5 - 183,2
 
23,5 - 183,2
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24 - 180,6
 
24 - 180,6
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24,5 - 177,9
 
24,5 - 177,9
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25 - 175,2
 
25 - 175,2
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25,5 - 172,5
 
25,5 - 172,5
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26 - 169,8
 
26 - 169,8
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26,5 - 167
 
26,5 - 167
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27 - 164,3
 
27 - 164,3
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27,5 - 161,5
 
27,5 - 161,5
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28 - 158,6
 
28 - 158,6
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28,5 - 155,8
 
28,5 - 155,8
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32 - 134,7
 
32 - 134,7
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32,5 - 131,4
 
32,5 - 131,4
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33 - 128,2
 
33 - 128,2
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33,5 - 124,8
 
33,5 - 124,8
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34 - 121,4
 
34 - 121,4
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34,5 - 117,9
 
34,5 - 117,9
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35 - 114,3
 
35 - 114,3
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35,5 - 110,5
 
35,5 - 110,5
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36 - 106,7
 
36 - 106,7
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36,5 - 102,8
 
36,5 - 102,8
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(Courtesy of Puchforum.net)
 
(Courtesy of Puchforum.net)
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There are also tools you can use. Like Jaap's Puch Calculator.
 
There are also tools you can use. Like Jaap's Puch Calculator.
  
<http://home.planet.nl/~moelk037/Jaap's%20Puch%20Calculator.exe>
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http://home.planet.nl/~moelk037/Jaap's%20Puch%20Calculator.exe
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Quick translation of the program:
 
Quick translation of the program:
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Spoel-/uitlaattiming = Transfer-/Exhausttiming
 
Spoel-/uitlaattiming = Transfer-/Exhausttiming
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Timing (In degrees)
 
Timing (In degrees)
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Portheight (in mm)
 
Portheight (in mm)
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Deckheight (in mm)
 
Deckheight (in mm)
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Stroke (43mm standard)
 
Stroke (43mm standard)
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Con. rod length (90mm standard)
 
Con. rod length (90mm standard)
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Inlaattiming = intake timing
 
Inlaattiming = intake timing
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Timing (in degrees)
 
Timing (in degrees)
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Intakeheight (in mm)
 
Intakeheight (in mm)
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Pistonlength (At the longest point, in mm)
 
Pistonlength (At the longest point, in mm)
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Deck (in mm)
 
Deck (in mm)
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Stroke (43mm standard)
 
Stroke (43mm standard)
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Con. rod length (90mm standard)
 
Con. rod length (90mm standard)
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Poortbreedte = Port width
 
Poortbreedte = Port width
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True width (in mm)
 
True width (in mm)
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Portmap width (in mm)
 
Portmap width (in mm)
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Bore (in mm)
 
Bore (in mm)
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Snelheid, toeren = Speed, RPM
 
Snelheid, toeren = Speed, RPM
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Speed (In KM/H)
 
Speed (In KM/H)
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RPM
 
RPM
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Front sprocket (In number of teeth)
 
Front sprocket (In number of teeth)
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Rear sprocket (in number of teeth)
 
Rear sprocket (in number of teeth)
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Internal gearing (Leave it the way it is for Puch)
 
Internal gearing (Leave it the way it is for Puch)
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Tire radius (In meters. The length that the tire rolls for one revolution, if you catch my drift)
 
Tire radius (In meters. The length that the tire rolls for one revolution, if you catch my drift)
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Informatie = Information
 
Informatie = Information
  
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Place the radio button at the variable that's unknown. (The variable you want to calculate)
  
 
Oh and for an automatic, useable timings are:
 
Oh and for an automatic, useable timings are:
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Exhaust timing:
 
Exhaust timing:
  
 
150-160: Low exhaust timing. Torque, not high revs.
 
150-160: Low exhaust timing. Torque, not high revs.
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160-170: Very useable timing. Good torque and some power in the mid to high range.
 
160-170: Very useable timing. Good torque and some power in the mid to high range.
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170-180: High exhaust timing. Very limited use. Almost no torque with a narrow powerband at high revs.
 
170-180: High exhaust timing. Very limited use. Almost no torque with a narrow powerband at high revs.
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For the intake timing, calculate the blowdown.
 
For the intake timing, calculate the blowdown.
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Blowdown of 25: Low blowdown. Wide powerband with little peak. Rides well for everyday use.
 
Blowdown of 25: Low blowdown. Wide powerband with little peak. Rides well for everyday use.
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30: Pretty narrow powerband. Low power at low revs, higher power at high revs. You need a well tuned clutch to be able to ride with a blowdown as high as this, or it will stall out.
 
30: Pretty narrow powerband. Low power at low revs, higher power at high revs. You need a well tuned clutch to be able to ride with a blowdown as high as this, or it will stall out.
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35+: Way too high for an automatic. This is only rideable on a well tuned variomatic or shifter engine.
 
35+: Way too high for an automatic. This is only rideable on a well tuned variomatic or shifter engine.
  
As a rule of thumb, a blowdown higher then 28 isn't for everyday use on an automatic. Don't go higher then 28 if you don't know what you're doing ;)
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As a rule of thumb, a blowdown higher then 28 isn't for everyday use on an automatic. Don't go higher than 28 if you don't know what you're doing ;)
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Good luck and have fun.
 
Good luck and have fun.

Revision as of 08:06, 31 January 2008

This is a short article about calculating port timing. This is copied and pasted off the Technical board, and it's about advancing timing. It also includes a helpful tool.


Advancing timing is pretty simple. You just need to calculate the current timing


D=(180-cos^-1((T^2+R^2-L^2)/(2*R*T)))*2


T=R+L+C-E


R is stroke devided by 2

L is the conrod length (90mm in a Puch)

C is the distance of the crown of the piston to the top of the cylinder in TDC (Deckheight)

E is the distance between the port and the top edge of the cylinder


Everything is measured in millimeters


And then fill in the desired timing and reverse-calculate it.


Or just take the easy way out...


Portheight in relation to timing in a Puch E-50 engine. All in MM and degrees.


21,5 - 193,7

22 - 191,1

22,5 - 188,5

23 - 185,9

23,5 - 183,2

24 - 180,6

24,5 - 177,9

25 - 175,2

25,5 - 172,5

26 - 169,8

26,5 - 167

27 - 164,3

27,5 - 161,5

28 - 158,6

28,5 - 155,8

32 - 134,7

32,5 - 131,4

33 - 128,2

33,5 - 124,8

34 - 121,4

34,5 - 117,9

35 - 114,3

35,5 - 110,5

36 - 106,7

36,5 - 102,8


(Courtesy of Puchforum.net)


There are also tools you can use. Like Jaap's Puch Calculator.


http://home.planet.nl/~moelk037/Jaap's%20Puch%20Calculator.exe


Quick translation of the program:


Spoel-/uitlaattiming = Transfer-/Exhausttiming


Timing (In degrees)

Portheight (in mm)

Deckheight (in mm)

Stroke (43mm standard)

Con. rod length (90mm standard)


Inlaattiming = intake timing


Timing (in degrees)

Intakeheight (in mm)

Pistonlength (At the longest point, in mm)

Deck (in mm)

Stroke (43mm standard)

Con. rod length (90mm standard)


Poortbreedte = Port width


True width (in mm)

Portmap width (in mm)

Bore (in mm)


Snelheid, toeren = Speed, RPM


Speed (In KM/H)

RPM

Front sprocket (In number of teeth)

Rear sprocket (in number of teeth)

Internal gearing (Leave it the way it is for Puch)

Tire radius (In meters. The length that the tire rolls for one revolution, if you catch my drift)


Informatie = Information


Place the radio button at the variable that's unknown. (The variable you want to calculate)

Oh and for an automatic, useable timings are:


Exhaust timing:

150-160: Low exhaust timing. Torque, not high revs.

160-170: Very useable timing. Good torque and some power in the mid to high range.

170-180: High exhaust timing. Very limited use. Almost no torque with a narrow powerband at high revs.


For the intake timing, calculate the blowdown.


Blowdown of 25: Low blowdown. Wide powerband with little peak. Rides well for everyday use.

30: Pretty narrow powerband. Low power at low revs, higher power at high revs. You need a well tuned clutch to be able to ride with a blowdown as high as this, or it will stall out.

35+: Way too high for an automatic. This is only rideable on a well tuned variomatic or shifter engine.


As a rule of thumb, a blowdown higher then 28 isn't for everyday use on an automatic. Don't go higher than 28 if you don't know what you're doing ;)


Good luck and have fun.