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*Rubber brake switch boots work as intake reducers for Dellorto airbox holes.
 
*Rubber brake switch boots work as intake reducers for Dellorto airbox holes.
 
*Puch 12mm "round" Bing will fit in place of Sachs "square" Bing on the 505/  motor
 
*Puch 12mm "round" Bing will fit in place of Sachs "square" Bing on the 505/  motor
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*Bing jets will work in Jikov carburetors commonly found on Jawa Mopeds.
  
 
==Intake==
 
==Intake==

Revision as of 23:18, 14 December 2011

This crossover chart was formed to help provide a list of compatible parts between brands and models. If you come across any incorrect information please update the list.

Fuel system

  • Tomos and Puch frame tank gas caps are interchangable.
  • Gas caps from Puch and Tomos removable tanks, 70's Honda dirt bikes (such as the XR75) and Mercedes Benz (Gates/Stant part number 31623) are all interchangable.
  • Yamaha QT50 and Honda NC50 petcocks will fit General 5 Star Lazer top tanks and Trac Sprint Top tanks.
  • Peugeot petcocks fit Batavus VA & HS50, Italian bikes such as the tube frame Concords and Cimattis, Sears Allstate Sabres, and Puch Magnum/Cobra gas tanks.
  • Tomos and Puch frame tanks, JC Penney Pinto and Swinger, Vespa, Kinetic, Sachs G3 and Honda Hobbit petcocks are all interchangable.

Carburetion

  • Vespa Dellorto SHA carburetors (12:9, 12:10, 12:12, and 13:13) are a direct fit on Batavus (Encarwi) intakes
  • Puch Bing jets fit Tomos and Batavus Encarwi carburetors.
  • Dellorto main jets fit Mikuni round-slide carburetors.
  • Bing 90 degree throttle cable guide/adjusters fit Dellorto SHA Carbs.
  • Rubber brake switch boots work as intake reducers for Dellorto airbox holes.
  • Puch 12mm "round" Bing will fit in place of Sachs "square" Bing on the 505/ motor
  • Bing jets will work in Jikov carburetors commonly found on Jawa Mopeds.

Intake

  • Peugeot 103, Tomos A35, Daelim and Puch Polini intakes are all interchangable.
  • Minarelli V1 intakes will fit Puch and Garelli horizontal cylinders.
  • Minarelli, Garelli and Puch exhaust headers can all be used as intakes.
  • Honda Urban Express reeds are a bit larger and flow in a more desirable direction. Will fit NC50's with minimal case grinding.
  • Puch intakes can be modified to fit a Jawa allowing you to use a Dellorto or Bing.

Cylinder

  • Honda NC50 and PA50 top ends are interchangable.
  • Tomos A35/A55, Puch and Derbi piston port top ends are interchangable.
  • Derbi piston port and pyramid reed, Tomos, Puch and Motobecane all have the same stroke.
  • Honda, Peugeot, Derbi flat reed are all really close in stroke.
  • Derbi, Honda, Puch and Tomos head bolt spacing is all close enough to not have to move the studs. Just open the holes.
  • Minarelli pistons will work in a Demm cylinder.
  • Yamaha QT50 rings are the same dimensions and ring end type as those used on MotoGuzzi/Benelli and some Garelli pistons.
  • Suzuki FA/FZ50 std bore is 41mm, for when your 40mm cast bore is past its 3rd over.
  • Suzuki RM60 piston is 43mm, same as YT/YF60 upgrade for Yamaha QTs. Kawasaki KX60 also drops in
  • 40mm X 2mm FG Garelli rings will fit a Casal or a Zundapp 49 cc motor.
  • Puch rings are interchangeable with Vespa Ciao rings.
  • Derbi 40mm rings fit on Kreidler pistons.

Electrical

  • Most moped head lights and tail lights are cross compatible between brands.
  • Puch ZA50 flywheel will not work on Puch E50's and vice versa, but the stator plate/magneto will.
  • The Sachs 3 wire stator fits Puch.
  • Tomos lighting coils will fit Puch stator plates/magnetos.
  • Puch flywheel pullers are compatible with the Ducati ignition found on the Tomos A3 as well as the Iskra CDI ignition found on the Tomos A35.
  • Kinetic CDI and Vespa points stators are interchangable.
  • Tomos, Peugeot, Puch, Derbi and Honda all have the same ignition side taper on the crank. All of these ignitions are interchangable with work.
  • 6v 5" sealed beam bulbs are found on small tractors and can be found at tractor supply and auto parts stores.
  • 12v 30w sealed beam #4416 is a direct replacement for the stock 6v headlight when installing a Kinetic CDI system on a Vespa.

Exhaust

  • Many Puch exhausts will fit Minarelli powered bikes with little modification along with Trac and Batavus motors.
  • Tomos, Minarelli, Garelli and Batavus exhausts will fit Jawa cylinders with slight modification to the stud pattern and exhaust bracket.
  • Honda Express exhaust will fit a PA50, with the side cover removed.
  • Bumper over-riders for 60's VW bugs can be cut up to make exhaust headers for Sachs engines, but the material is very thick and will not clamp well
  • Vespa exhausts fit Kinetic TFR with varying stand/pedal/peg complications. TFR USA (2004-present) will not accommodate as many Vespa exhausts.

Engine

  • Tomos A3 and A35 crank seals are the same as Sears Allstate Compact (Puch DS60)
  • Garelli NOI main bearings are the same as Puch E50, excepting the one with the snap ring. (#6203/C3)
  • Yamaha QT50 shares its entire drivetrain platform with the ubiquitous PW50 kids' dirtbike, but geared lower
  • Motobecane rear axle nut replaces Derbi PP/ Pyramid, and Peugeot flywheel nut
  • 6203 Bearings are the same ones used in Laura M48, Puch E50 and all Jawa motors.
  • Peugeot 103 bearings fit Puch ZA50 cases.
  • Motobecane bearings fit Honda Hobbit cases.
  • Vespa engine parts are interchangeable with Kinetic.
  • The nut to hold a Motobecane 7 clutch onto the crank can be swapped for a Puch spoked wheel axle nut. Thread is m11x1 with a 17mm outer diameter.

Transmission

  • Peugeot flywheel pullers will work on Jawa 210 clutches.
  • Minarelli clutch bells fit KTM50 clutches, which are the same taper as Puch clutches.
  • Peugeot 103 clutch pulleys fit on Motobecanes.
  • Motobecane clutchless variators fit on Puch cranks.
  • Vespa and Franco Morini Variated Clutches and Variators are interchangable with each other, although Franco Morini Variated parts are much rarer.

the clutch from a puch e50 is the exact same as the one in a moto guzzi robin

Frame

  • JC Penny Pinto, Swinger, Puch Kromag, Magnum and Murray all use the same sidecovers.
  • Peugeot, Motobecanes and Honda Hobbits all have very similar fork headtube lengths.
  • Hobbit fork and front wheel are suitable upgrades for a Ciao. Using a combination of both headsets, all that is needed is a taller lock nut or spacers.

Other Stuff

  • HURET speedometers are used on such brands as Garelli, Morini, Motobecane and Puch.
  • Yamaha QT50 brakes will fit a United Angel (Peugeot copy).
  • Motobecane Traveler rear wheel substitutes for Puch spoked and already has sealed bearing, has Sparta sprocket bolt pattern
  • The pedal crank/sprocket from the Jawa 207 will fit a Puch Maxi, but it will require shimming, and the actual crank on the exhaust side will be too shallow to clear the exhaust. Instead, one can use a Maxi crank on the exhaust side, and with proper shimming, clearance is increased on that side by well over an inch. This might be helpful if you have a large exhaust and clearance issues.
  • Most pedal crank arms are interchangeable but grinding may be required.
  • the brake plates from any 16" minarelli moped rim, will work on sebring rims..
  • Motobecane 50v rear axle nut will work as a flywheel nut for the pug 102/103.
  • Honda CR80-R (at least 96-02) fork will fit Puch Magnum with magnum bearings and races.

Cylinders of the same stroke

See also: Moped and scooter strokes

  • 37.4 mm = Morini scooter
  • 39.0 mm = Minarelli AM(4/5/6) schakel
  • 39.1 mm = Peugeot scooter (ook fox/wallaroo en 103)
  • 39.2 mm = Minarelli horizontal LC/AC en vertical scooter
  • 39.3 mm = Piaggio scooter LC/AC
  • 39.7 mm = Yamaha (DT) schakel
  • 39.7 mm = Kreidler schakel
  • 39.7 mm = Sachs 50SW
  • 40.0 mm = Derbi schakel (85 mm drijfstanglengte)
  • 41.4 mm = Kymco scooter
  • 41.4 mm = Honda MT5/NSR50/MTX-sh/MTX-ot/MB5/MBX50/MBX80 schakel
  • 41.6 mm = Kawasaki AR50/80 schakel
  • 41.8 mm = Zundapp schakel
  • 41,8 mm = Morini schakel
  • 42.0 mm = Minarelli RV4 schakel
  • 42.0 mm = Sachs 504 en 505
  • 43.0 mm = Gilardoni 43mm slag cylinder (Minarelli horizontal LC)
  • 43.0 mm = Simonini 80cc cylinder (Vespa)
  • 43.0 mm = Parmakit 80cc cylinder (Minarelli horizontaal AC+LC)
  • 43.0 mm = Derbi FDS/FDX schakel
  • 43.0 mm = Puch automatic
  • 43.0 mm = Tomos automatic