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This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine. | This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine. | ||
This list is sorted by price-range. | This list is sorted by price-range. | ||
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== Stock Puch Maxi points ignition == | == Stock Puch Maxi points ignition == | ||
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The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition. | The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition. | ||
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| + | *Newer version: Primary coil -> Secondary coil -> Sparkplug | ||
| + | *Older version: Ignition coil -> Sparkplug | ||
Found on: | Found on: | ||
| − | + | *[[Puch Maxi]] | |
| − | + | *[[Puch Macho]] | |
| − | Puch Maxi | + | *[[Puch Z-two]] |
| − | + | *[[Puch Cobra]] | |
| − | Puch Macho | + | *[[Puch Magnum]] |
| − | + | *[[Puch MV50]] | |
| − | Puch Z-two | + | *[[Puch MS50]] |
| − | + | *Some Sachs 504 and 505 engines. | |
| − | Puch Cobra | ||
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| − | Puch Magnum | ||
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| − | Puch MS50 | ||
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| − | Some Sachs 504 and 505 engines. | ||
Consists of (New model): | Consists of (New model): | ||
| − | + | *Baseplate | |
| − | + | *Flywheel | |
| − | Baseplate | + | *Contact-points |
| − | + | *Condenser | |
| − | Flywheel | + | *Primary coil |
| − | + | *Secondary coil | |
| − | Contact-points | + | *Light coil |
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| − | Condenser | ||
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| − | Primary coil | ||
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| − | Secondary coil | ||
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| − | Light coil | ||
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Consists of (Old model): | Consists of (Old model): | ||
| + | *Baseplate | ||
| + | *Flywheel | ||
| + | *Contact-points | ||
| + | *Condenser | ||
| + | *Ignition coil | ||
| + | *Light coil | ||
| − | + | + Cheap<br> | |
| − | + | + Reliable (if maintained well)<br> | |
| − | + | + Easy to tune<br> | |
| − | + | + Easy to install<br> | |
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| − | + Reliable (if maintained well) | ||
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| − | + Easy to tune | ||
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| − | + Easy to install | ||
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+ Good light coil (6v 17W) | + Good light coil (6v 17W) | ||
| − | - Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable) | + | - Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable)<br> |
| − | + | - Moisture sensitive<br> | |
| − | - Moisture sensitive | + | - Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM<br> |
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| − | - Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM | ||
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- Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response) | - Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response) | ||
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Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| + | *There are cheap imitation coils, contact-points and condensers available. | ||
| + | *Original Bosch parts are also available. Original Bosch is preferred over imitation, especially with contact-points and condensers. | ||
| − | + | ==Puch Z-one CDI Ignition== | |
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| − | == Puch Z-one CDI Ignition == | ||
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The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one. | The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one. | ||
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Consists of: | Consists of: | ||
| + | *Baseplate | ||
| + | *Flywheel | ||
| + | *Primary coil | ||
| + | *Secondary coil | ||
| + | *CDI | ||
| + | *Light coil | ||
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| + | + CDI ignition (No contact-points)<br> | ||
| + | + Works well above 12.000 RPM<br> | ||
+ Very good light coil (12v 35W) | + Very good light coil (12v 35W) | ||
| − | - Doesn't seem to last very long | + | - Doesn't seem to last very long<br> |
| − | + | - Hard to tune<br> | |
| − | - Hard to tune | ||
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- Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response) | - Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response) | ||
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Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| + | *Was only stock on Puch Z-one | ||
| − | + | ==Sparcon Contact-points Replacement== | |
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A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points. | A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points. | ||
| − | + No contact-points | + | + No contact-points<br> |
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+ Works above 12.000 RPM | + Works above 12.000 RPM | ||
| − | - Doesn't seem to last very long | + | - Doesn't seem to last very long<br> |
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- Not tuneable | - Not tuneable | ||
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Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| − | + | *One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should. | |
| − | + | *Price is around $20 which is a lot for a device that doesn't work with every setup. | |
| − | One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should. | ||
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== HPI CDI Inner-rotor == | == HPI CDI Inner-rotor == | ||
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Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"* | Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"* | ||
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Consists of: | Consists of: | ||
| + | *Rotor | ||
| + | *Stator | ||
| + | *Coil | ||
| + | *CDI | ||
| + | *Light coil (optional) | ||
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| + | + Works up to 18.000 RPM<br> | ||
| + | + Is moisture resistant<br> | ||
| + | + CDI ignition<br> | ||
| + | + Easy to install<br> | ||
| + | + Light flywheel (Better throttle response)<br> | ||
+ Curve | + Curve | ||
| − | - Expensive | + | - Expensive<br> |
| − | + | - No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights)<br> | |
| − | - No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights) | + | - Hard to tune precise<br> |
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- Parts that can break are expensive | - Parts that can break are expensive | ||
Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| + | *Only ignition with curve for Puch. | ||
| + | **Curve means that it has a programmed CDI that delays the ignition when the RPM rises. This ensures that you have good low-end and high-end power. | ||
| − | + | ==Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor== | |
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| − | == Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor == | ||
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Consists of: | Consists of: | ||
| + | *Stator | ||
| + | *Rotor | ||
| + | *Coil | ||
| + | *CDI | ||
| + | *Baseplate | ||
| − | + | + Works up to 18.000 RPM<br> | |
| − | + | + Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI)<br> | |
| − | + | + Light flywheel (Better throttle response)<br> | |
| − | + | + CDI<br> | |
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| − | + Works up to 18.000 RPM | ||
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| − | + Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI) | ||
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| − | + Light flywheel (Better throttle response) | ||
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| − | + CDI | ||
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+ Quality, finish and fit | + Quality, finish and fit | ||
| − | - Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch) | + | - Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch)<br> |
| − | + | - Expensive<br> | |
| − | - Expensive | + | - No light coil<br> |
| − | + | - No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing)<br> | |
| − | - No light coil | ||
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| − | - No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing) | ||
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- Hard to tune | - Hard to tune | ||
Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| + | *Not meant for Puch, but for scooters. | ||
| + | Brands: | ||
| + | *Italkit Selletra | ||
| + | *Malossi Selletra | ||
| + | *TNT Selletra | ||
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| + | They are basically all the same. | ||
| − | + | *Only Malossi has an Eprom. That's a self-programmable CDI so you can make your own curve. It is expensive however. | |
| − | + | There's also a digital Italkit Selettra with curve, but it's a lot more expensive than the HPI. | |
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== MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor == | == MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor == | ||
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Consists of: | Consists of: | ||
| + | *Rotor | ||
| + | *Stator | ||
| + | *External coil | ||
| + | *Light coils | ||
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| − | + No contact-points | ||
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+ 2 light coils | + 2 light coils | ||
| − | - Heavy rotor | + | - Heavy rotor<br> |
| − | + | - 40 year old design<br> | |
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- Discontinued | - Discontinued | ||
Special points of interest: | Special points of interest: | ||
| + | *MotoPlat has only made this ignition for a couple of years. The factory is long gone (Bankrupt). | ||
| + | *It out-performs the stock Puch ignition, however the flywheel is kind of heavy. | ||
| + | *This ignition doesn't have contact-points or CDI, but works with an external coil & 2 light coils. | ||
| − | + | Translated by '''SchijnHeilig''' | |
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| − | + | Original by '''Jorismb''' from '''[http://www.PuchForum.com Puchforum.com]''' | |
| − | + | Special thanks to ''''puch rijder martijn'''' and '''Jos Dijkman''' for the information on the MotoPlat ignition. | |
| − | + | [[Category: Puch|Ignition summary]] | |
| + | [[Category:Puch Performance|Ignition summary]] | ||
Latest revision as of 12:57, 26 July 2010
This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine.
This list is sorted by price-range.
Stock Puch Maxi points ignition
The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition.
There are 2 different versions of this ignition:
- Newer version: Primary coil -> Secondary coil -> Sparkplug
- Older version: Ignition coil -> Sparkplug
Found on:
- Puch Maxi
- Puch Macho
- Puch Z-two
- Puch Cobra
- Puch Magnum
- Puch MV50
- Puch MS50
- Some Sachs 504 and 505 engines.
Consists of (New model):
- Baseplate
- Flywheel
- Contact-points
- Condenser
- Primary coil
- Secondary coil
- Light coil
Consists of (Old model):
- Baseplate
- Flywheel
- Contact-points
- Condenser
- Ignition coil
- Light coil
+ Cheap
+ Reliable (if maintained well)
+ Easy to tune
+ Easy to install
+ Good light coil (6v 17W)
- Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable)
- Moisture sensitive
- Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM
- Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response)
Special points of interest:
- There are cheap imitation coils, contact-points and condensers available.
- Original Bosch parts are also available. Original Bosch is preferred over imitation, especially with contact-points and condensers.
Puch Z-one CDI Ignition
The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one.
Consists of:
- Baseplate
- Flywheel
- Primary coil
- Secondary coil
- CDI
- Light coil
+ CDI ignition (No contact-points)
+ Works well above 12.000 RPM
+ Very good light coil (12v 35W)
- Doesn't seem to last very long
- Hard to tune
- Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response)
Special points of interest:
- Was only stock on Puch Z-one
Sparcon Contact-points Replacement
A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points.
+ No contact-points
+ Works above 12.000 RPM
- Doesn't seem to last very long
- Not tuneable
Special points of interest:
- One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should.
- Price is around $20 which is a lot for a device that doesn't work with every setup.
HPI CDI Inner-rotor
HPI 2005
Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"*
Consists of:
- Rotor
- Stator
- Coil
- CDI
- Light coil (optional)
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
+ Is moisture resistant
+ CDI ignition
+ Easy to install
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
+ Curve
- Expensive
- No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights)
- Hard to tune precise
- Parts that can break are expensive
Special points of interest:
- Only ignition with curve for Puch.
- Curve means that it has a programmed CDI that delays the ignition when the RPM rises. This ensures that you have good low-end and high-end power.
Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor
Consists of:
- Stator
- Rotor
- Coil
- CDI
- Baseplate
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
+ Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI)
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
+ CDI
+ Quality, finish and fit
- Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch)
- Expensive
- No light coil
- No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing)
- Hard to tune
Special points of interest:
- Not meant for Puch, but for scooters.
Brands:
- Italkit Selletra
- Malossi Selletra
- TNT Selletra
They are basically all the same.
- Only Malossi has an Eprom. That's a self-programmable CDI so you can make your own curve. It is expensive however.
There's also a digital Italkit Selettra with curve, but it's a lot more expensive than the HPI.
MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor
Consists of:
- Rotor
- Stator
- External coil
- Light coils
+ No contact-points
+ 2 light coils
- Heavy rotor
- 40 year old design
- Discontinued
Special points of interest:
- MotoPlat has only made this ignition for a couple of years. The factory is long gone (Bankrupt).
- It out-performs the stock Puch ignition, however the flywheel is kind of heavy.
- This ignition doesn't have contact-points or CDI, but works with an external coil & 2 light coils.
Translated by SchijnHeilig
Original by Jorismb from Puchforum.com
Special thanks to 'puch rijder martijn' and Jos Dijkman for the information on the MotoPlat ignition.
