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This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine.
 
This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine.
  
 
This list is sorted by price-range.
 
This list is sorted by price-range.
 
  
 
== Stock Puch Maxi points ignition ==
 
== Stock Puch Maxi points ignition ==
 
 
 
The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition.
 
The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition.
  
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There are 2 different versions of this ignition:
 +
*Newer version: Primary coil -> Secondary coil -> Sparkplug
 +
*Older version: Ignition coil -> Sparkplug
  
 
Found on:
 
Found on:
 
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*[[Puch Maxi]]
 
+
*[[Puch Macho]]
Puch Maxi
+
*[[Puch Z-two]]
 
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*[[Puch Cobra]]
Puch Macho
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*[[Puch Magnum]]
 
+
*[[Puch MV50]]
Puch Z-two
+
*[[Puch MS50]]
 
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*Some Sachs 504 and 505 engines.
Puch Cobra
 
 
 
Puch Magnum
 
 
 
Puch MV50
 
 
 
Puch MS50
 
 
 
Some Sachs 504 and 505 engines.
 
  
  
 
Consists of (New model):
 
Consists of (New model):
 
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*Baseplate
 
+
*Flywheel
Baseplate
+
*Contact-points
 
+
*Condenser
Flywheel
+
*Primary coil
 
+
*Secondary coil
Contact-points
+
*Light coil
 
 
Condenser
 
 
 
Primary coil
 
 
 
Secondary coil
 
 
 
Light coil
 
 
 
  
 
Consists of (Old model):
 
Consists of (Old model):
 +
*Baseplate
 +
*Flywheel
 +
*Contact-points
 +
*Condenser
 +
*Ignition coil
 +
*Light coil
  
  
Baseplate
+
+ Cheap<br>
 
+
+ Reliable (if maintained well)<br>
Flywheel
+
+ Easy to tune<br>
 
+
+ Easy to install<br>
Contact-points
 
 
 
Condenser
 
 
 
Ignition coil
 
 
 
Light coil
 
 
 
 
 
+ Cheap
 
 
 
+ Reliable (if maintained well)
 
 
 
+ Easy to tune
 
 
 
+ Easy to install
 
 
 
 
+ Good light coil (6v 17W)
 
+ Good light coil (6v 17W)
  
- Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable)
+
- Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable)<br>
 
+
- Moisture sensitive<br>
- Moisture sensitive
+
- Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM<br>
 
 
- Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM
 
 
 
 
- Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response)
 
- Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response)
 
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
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*There are cheap imitation coils, contact-points and condensers available.
 +
*Original Bosch parts are also available. Original Bosch is preferred over imitation, especially with contact-points and condensers.
  
 
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==Puch Z-one CDI Ignition==
There are cheap imitation coils, contact-points and condensers available.
 
 
 
 
 
Original Bosch parts are also available. Original Bosch is preferred over imitation, especially with contact-points and condensers.
 
 
 
 
 
There are 2 different versions of this ignition:
 
 
 
The newer version: Primary coil -> Secondary coil -> Sparkplug
 
 
 
The older version: Ignition coil -> Sparkplug
 
 
 
== Puch Z-one CDI Ignition ==
 
 
 
 
 
 
The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one.
 
The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one.
 
  
 
Consists of:
 
Consists of:
 +
*Baseplate
 +
*Flywheel
 +
*Primary coil
 +
*Secondary coil
 +
*CDI
 +
*Light coil
  
Baseplate
 
 
Flywheel
 
 
Primary coil
 
 
Secondary coil
 
 
CDI
 
 
Light coil
 
 
 
+ CDI ignition (No contact-points)
 
 
+ Works well above 12.000 RPM
 
  
 +
+ CDI ignition (No contact-points)<br>
 +
+ Works well above 12.000 RPM<br>
 
+ Very good light coil (12v 35W)
 
+ Very good light coil (12v 35W)
  
- Doesn't seem to last very long
+
- Doesn't seem to last very long<br>
 
+
- Hard to tune<br>
- Hard to tune
 
 
 
 
- Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response)
 
- Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response)
 
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
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*Was only stock on Puch Z-one
  
 
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==Sparcon Contact-points Replacement==
Was only stock on Puch Z-one
 
 
 
 
 
== Sparcon contact-points replacement ==
 
 
 
 
 
 
[[Image:Ign1.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign1.jpg]]
 
 
 
A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points.
 
A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points.
  
  
+ No contact-points
+
+ No contact-points<br>
 
 
 
+ Works above 12.000 RPM
 
+ Works above 12.000 RPM
  
- Doesn't seem to last very long
+
- Doesn't seem to last very long<br>
 
 
 
- Not tuneable
 
- Not tuneable
 
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
 
+
*One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should.
 
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*Price is around $100 which is a lot for a device that doesn't work with every setup.
One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should.
 
 
 
 
 
Price is around $100 which is a lot for a device that doesn't work with every setup.
 
  
 
== HPI CDI Inner-rotor ==
 
== HPI CDI Inner-rotor ==
 
 
 
[[Image:Ign2.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign2.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign3.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign3.jpg]]
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Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"*
 
Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"*
 
  
 
Consists of:
 
Consists of:
 +
*Rotor
 +
*Stator
 +
*Coil
 +
*CDI
 +
*Light coil (optional)
  
Rotor
 
 
Stator
 
 
Coil
 
 
CDI
 
 
Light coil (optional)
 
 
 
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
 
 
+ Is moisture resistant
 
 
+ CDI ignition
 
 
+ Easy to install
 
 
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
 
  
 +
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM<br>
 +
+ Is moisture resistant<br>
 +
+ CDI ignition<br>
 +
+ Easy to install<br>
 +
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)<br>
 
+ Curve
 
+ Curve
  
- Expensive
+
- Expensive<br>
 
+
- No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights)<br>
- No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights)
+
- Hard to tune precise<br>
 
 
- Hard to tune precise
 
 
 
 
- Parts that can break are expensive
 
- Parts that can break are expensive
  
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
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*Only ignition with curve for Puch.
 +
**Curve means that it has a programmed CDI that delays the ignition when the RPM rises. This ensures that you have good low-end and high-end power.
  
 
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==Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor==
Only ignition with curve for Puch.
 
 
 
 
 
*Curve means that it has a programmed CDI that delays the ignition when the RPM rises. This ensures that you have good low-end and high-end power.
 
 
 
== Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor ==
 
 
 
 
 
 
Consists of:
 
Consists of:
 +
*Stator
 +
*Rotor
 +
*Coil
 +
*CDI
 +
*Baseplate
  
Stator
+
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM<br>
 
+
+ Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI)<br>
Rotor
+
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)<br>
 
+
+ CDI<br>
Coil
 
 
 
CDI
 
 
 
Baseplate
 
 
 
 
 
+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
 
 
 
+ Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI)
 
 
 
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
 
 
 
+ CDI
 
 
 
 
+ Quality, finish and fit
 
+ Quality, finish and fit
  
- Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch)
+
- Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch)<br>
 
+
- Expensive<br>
- Expensive
+
- No light coil<br>
 
+
- No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing)<br>
- No light coil
 
 
 
- No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing)
 
 
 
 
- Hard to tune
 
- Hard to tune
  
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
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*Not meant for Puch, but for scooters.
  
 +
Brands:
 +
*Italkit Selletra
 +
*Malossi Selletra
 +
*TNT Selletra
  
Not meant for Puch, but for scooters.
 
 
 
Brand:
 
  
 +
They are basically all the same.
  
Italkit Selletra
+
*Only Malossi has an Eprom. That's a self-programmable CDI so you can make your own curve. It is expensive however.
  
Malossi Selletra
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There's also a digital Italkit Selettra with curve, but it's a lot more expensive than the HPI.
 
 
TNT Selletra
 
 
 
 
 
They are basicly all the same.
 
 
 
*Only Malossi has an Eprom. That's a self-programmable CDI so you can make your own curve. It is expenive however.
 
 
 
There's also a digital Italkit Selettra with curve, but it's a lot more expensive then the HPI.
 
  
  
 
== MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor ==
 
== MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor ==
 
 
 
[[Image:Ign4.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign4.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign5.jpg]]
 
[[Image:Ign5.jpg]]
 
 
 
Consists of:
 
Consists of:
 +
*Rotor
 +
*Stator
 +
*External coil
 +
*Light coils
  
 
+
+ No contact-points<br>
Rotor
 
 
 
Stator
 
 
 
External coil
 
 
 
Light coils
 
 
 
 
 
+ No contact-points
 
 
 
 
+ 2 light coils
 
+ 2 light coils
  
- Heavy rotor
+
- Heavy rotor<br>
 
+
- 40 year old design<br>
- 40 year old design
 
 
 
 
- Discontinued
 
- Discontinued
  
  
 
Special points of interest:
 
Special points of interest:
 
+
*MotoPlat has only made this ignition for a couple of years. The factory is long gone (Bankrupt).
 
+
*It out-performs the stock Puch ignition, however the flywheel is kind of heavy.
MotoPlat has only made this ignition for a couple of years. The factory is long gone (Bankrupt).
+
*This ignition doesn't have contact-points or CDI, but works with an external coil & 2 light coils.
 
 
 
 
It out-performs the stock Puch ignition, however the flywheel is kind of heavy.
 
 
 
 
 
This ignition doesn't have contact-points or CDI, but works with an external coil & 2 light coils.
 
  
  
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Special thanks to ''''puch rijder martijn'''' and '''Jos Dijkman''' for the information on the MotoPlat ignition.
 
Special thanks to ''''puch rijder martijn'''' and '''Jos Dijkman''' for the information on the MotoPlat ignition.
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[[Category:Puch]]

Revision as of 20:59, 27 December 2007

This is a list of almost every ignition you can fit onto your Puch engine.

This list is sorted by price-range.

Stock Puch Maxi points ignition

The stock Puch Bosch/Iskra ignition.

There are 2 different versions of this ignition:

  • Newer version: Primary coil -> Secondary coil -> Sparkplug
  • Older version: Ignition coil -> Sparkplug

Found on:


Consists of (New model):

  • Baseplate
  • Flywheel
  • Contact-points
  • Condenser
  • Primary coil
  • Secondary coil
  • Light coil

Consists of (Old model):

  • Baseplate
  • Flywheel
  • Contact-points
  • Condenser
  • Ignition coil
  • Light coil


+ Cheap
+ Reliable (if maintained well)
+ Easy to tune
+ Easy to install
+ Good light coil (6v 17W)

- Contact-points (Sometimes not very reliable)
- Moisture sensitive
- Doesn't work well above 12.000 RPM
- Heavy flywheel (Bad throttle response)

Special points of interest:

  • There are cheap imitation coils, contact-points and condensers available.
  • Original Bosch parts are also available. Original Bosch is preferred over imitation, especially with contact-points and condensers.

Puch Z-one CDI Ignition

The original Ducati CDI ignition for Puch Z-one.

Consists of:

  • Baseplate
  • Flywheel
  • Primary coil
  • Secondary coil
  • CDI
  • Light coil


+ CDI ignition (No contact-points)
+ Works well above 12.000 RPM
+ Very good light coil (12v 35W)

- Doesn't seem to last very long
- Hard to tune
- Heavy flywheel (Poor throttle response)

Special points of interest:

  • Was only stock on Puch Z-one

Sparcon Contact-points Replacement

Ign1.jpg A sort of module that attaches to the baseplate to replace condenser and contact-points.


+ No contact-points
+ Works above 12.000 RPM

- Doesn't seem to last very long
- Not tuneable

Special points of interest:

  • One of a kind. Doesn't work with every engine the way it should.
  • Price is around $100 which is a lot for a device that doesn't work with every setup.

HPI CDI Inner-rotor

Ign2.jpg Ign3.jpg


HPI 2005

Horse Power Ignition inner-rotor with "curve"*

Consists of:

  • Rotor
  • Stator
  • Coil
  • CDI
  • Light coil (optional)


+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
+ Is moisture resistant
+ CDI ignition
+ Easy to install
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
+ Curve

- Expensive
- No lights (There is a light coil available, but it delivers just 12v 10W. Barely enough to run lights)
- Hard to tune precise
- Parts that can break are expensive


Special points of interest:

  • Only ignition with curve for Puch.
    • Curve means that it has a programmed CDI that delays the ignition when the RPM rises. This ensures that you have good low-end and high-end power.

Selletra analog CDI inner-rotor

Consists of:

  • Stator
  • Rotor
  • Coil
  • CDI
  • Baseplate

+ Works up to 18.000 RPM
+ Is moisture resistant (Plastic plated stator, coil & CDI)
+ Light flywheel (Better throttle response)
+ CDI
+ Quality, finish and fit

- Not meant for Puch (It's meant for Piaggio & Minarelli. It does fit Puch)
- Expensive
- No light coil
- No curve* (Analog, does not delay the ignition timing)
- Hard to tune


Special points of interest:

  • Not meant for Puch, but for scooters.

Brands:

  • Italkit Selletra
  • Malossi Selletra
  • TNT Selletra


They are basically all the same.

  • Only Malossi has an Eprom. That's a self-programmable CDI so you can make your own curve. It is expensive however.

There's also a digital Italkit Selettra with curve, but it's a lot more expensive than the HPI.


MotoPlat Electronic Outer-rotor

Ign4.jpg Ign5.jpg Consists of:

  • Rotor
  • Stator
  • External coil
  • Light coils

+ No contact-points
+ 2 light coils

- Heavy rotor
- 40 year old design
- Discontinued


Special points of interest:

  • MotoPlat has only made this ignition for a couple of years. The factory is long gone (Bankrupt).
  • It out-performs the stock Puch ignition, however the flywheel is kind of heavy.
  • This ignition doesn't have contact-points or CDI, but works with an external coil & 2 light coils.


Translated by SchijnHeilig

Original by Jorismb from PuchForum.net

Special thanks to 'puch rijder martijn' and Jos Dijkman for the information on the MotoPlat ignition.